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The Rat
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Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2011 :  05:36:22  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote

If this piece of shit legislation goes through personal freedoms will be severely curtailed. It will be illegal to use a pseudonym on-line, and linking to anything the government doesn't like would also be a crime. So if I wanted to inform someone of an asshole like Fred Phelps, in order to combat his hatred, I could be prosecuted. Actually Phelps is a bad example, the shitheads infesting our parliament now probably agree with the asshole.




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the_ignored
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Posted - 05/12/2011 :  07:22:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
While this does look bad, I'll point out that one time not so long ago our gov't under Harper warned Phelps that if he came up here and spread his shit, that he could get jail time.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20080807/funeral_protest_080807/

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9677 Posts

Posted - 05/12/2011 :  11:10:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Beware... The contagious stupidity is spreading north.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

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H. Humbert
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USA
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Posted - 05/12/2011 :  11:28:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Beware... The contagious stupidity is spreading north.
This "stupidity" cannot be blamed on the U.S. Our first amendment rights prevent the government from stifling our freedom of expression in this manner. To find a parallel for this sort of illiberal censorship one must look overseas. The Canadian view of the government's right to restrict or impose upon free speech is much closer to Europe's than our own.


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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

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Edited by - H. Humbert on 05/12/2011 11:30:36
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marfknox
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USA
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Posted - 05/12/2011 :  13:48:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It just sounds too ridiculous to pass. How would it be enforced? Well, er, I guess unenforceable laws are nothing new.

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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
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Posted - 05/12/2011 :  14:23:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Beware... The contagious stupidity is spreading north.
This "stupidity" cannot be blamed on the U.S.
I'm not so sure about that. Your previous administration found many creative ways to violate individual rights, what with illegal wiretaps and Gitmo, Patriot Act, Homeland Security etc.
This one is a more blatant and overt violation, and thus a little less insidious, but the underlying factor seems to be stupidity among the politicians who lack the liberal bias inherent i reality.


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Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

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Ebone4rock
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USA
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Posted - 05/12/2011 :  14:35:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Ebone4rock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I'm not buying into this insult to the U.S.. It is baseless. Something like that would never even be attempted here.

I'm also not sure why The Rat would think it would be something the right wing would do.

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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 05/12/2011 :  15:12:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ebone4rock

Yeah, I'm not buying into this insult to the U.S.. It is baseless. Something like that would never even be attempted here.

I'm also not sure why The Rat would think it would be something the right wing would do.



That kind of law can't ever be adopted in the US unless we modify our constitution. So the idea that it is a result of anything started in the US is baseless indeed, not to mention insulting and more than a little hostile.

Mab, yes, we fucked ourselves over post 9/11. Some of that is going away though, as time lets more rational minds assert influence. But lets be clear, you can't compare a violation of our privacy to an attempt by a government to censor what you can and can't say on the internet. We all know your low opinion of the US these days, but you seriously need to do some self evaluation and bias checking before you post crap like that. You have some legitimate criticism of the US, and many of us agree with you on a lot of it, but you ruin your credibility when you say stuff like you have in this thread.

Ebone, it's rightwing because fascism and totalitarianism (stupid fucking -isms.... get ready for a couple more before the end of this paragraph too!) are the far right wing of the political spectrum. No matter how many times FAUX cartoon news network talking heads say that liberalism is the same as communism and fascism, it will never be true. Also, Mab is a bit bias blinded on some political issues dealing with the US. He has some valid criticisms, but he is pretty far off base in this thread. Just taking cheap shots.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
Edited by - Dude on 05/12/2011 15:14:24
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 05/12/2011 :  15:13:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat


If this piece of shit legislation goes through personal freedoms will be severely curtailed. It will be illegal to use a pseudonym on-line, and linking to anything the government doesn't like would also be a crime. So if I wanted to inform someone of an asshole like Fred Phelps, in order to combat his hatred, I could be prosecuted. Actually Phelps is a bad example, the shitheads infesting our parliament now probably agree with the asshole.






Rat, is that piece of crap even possible in Canada? Don't you guys have something like the US bill of rights up there, that prevents government censorship of speech?


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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The Rat
SFN Regular

Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2011 :  16:19:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknoxHow would it be enforced?


You should have been here during the G20. The authorities enforced a secret law that was about 70 years old, and almost nobody had ever heard of, and enforced non-existant laws that were basically made up on the spot.

Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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The Rat
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Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2011 :  16:23:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ebone4rock
I'm also not sure why The Rat would think it would be something the right wing would do.


Tell me where I said that, or retract it now.

Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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Ebone4rock
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USA
894 Posts

Posted - 05/12/2011 :  17:09:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Ebone4rock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat

Originally posted by Ebone4rock
I'm also not sure why The Rat would think it would be something the right wing would do.


Tell me where I said that, or retract it now.


Did I misinterpret the title of the thread?

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The Rat
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Canada
1342 Posts

Posted - 05/12/2011 :  19:52:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ebone4rock

Originally posted by The Rat

Originally posted by Ebone4rock
I'm also not sure why The Rat would think it would be something the right wing would do.


Tell me where I said that, or retract it now.


Did I misinterpret the title of the thread?


It's a typical tactic, so okay, maybe I did. Sorry.

Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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Dave W.
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USA
26009 Posts

Posted - 05/12/2011 :  21:36:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

That kind of law can't ever be adopted in the US unless we modify our constitution.
This "can't happen here" attitude is simply wrong. Unconstitutional laws are adopted in the US all the damn time. It takes an enforcement of such laws (an enforcement which causes a conflict with constitutionally guaranteed rights) to spawn a court case, which could (with luck) result in an overturning of the law in question by a high court. The process can take years, decades or even centuries.

The easiest examples of just how wrong "it can't happen here" is "under God" in our Pledge and "In God We Trust" on our money. These things have been around for 50+ years, unconstitutionally promoting religious ideas in general, and approved by the courts as a "ceremonial deism" which supposedly can't possibly cause real harm to any religious people. Atheists are left to twist in the wind, legally, because the one real case against these things so far was brought by an atheist who SCOTUS decided didn't have standing to sue.

For another example, our nation's Capitol city just recently lost its gun-control laws - which had been in place for a long time - because of their conflict with the Second Amendment. Again, it happened here, and it took many, many years to change.

I'm sure we can all think of many more examples of Federal, state and local governments easily passing laws and rules which are unconstitutional on their faces. It happens here all the time, and it takes court action or a major change in legislative philosophy to fix (and a fix isn't guaranteed due to the fact that many judges are appointed for political reasons, even though we're all supposed to be above that sort of thing when seeking proper justice).

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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 05/12/2011 :  23:21:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by Dude

That kind of law can't ever be adopted in the US unless we modify our constitution.
This "can't happen here" attitude is simply wrong. Unconstitutional laws are adopted in the US all the damn time. It takes an enforcement of such laws (an enforcement which causes a conflict with constitutionally guaranteed rights) to spawn a court case, which could (with luck) result in an overturning of the law in question by a high court. The process can take years, decades or even centuries.

The easiest examples of just how wrong "it can't happen here" is "under God" in our Pledge and "In God We Trust" on our money. These things have been around for 50+ years, unconstitutionally promoting religious ideas in general, and approved by the courts as a "ceremonial deism" which supposedly can't possibly cause real harm to any religious people. Atheists are left to twist in the wind, legally, because the one real case against these things so far was brought by an atheist who SCOTUS decided didn't have standing to sue.

For another example, our nation's Capitol city just recently lost its gun-control laws - which had been in place for a long time - because of their conflict with the Second Amendment. Again, it happened here, and it took many, many years to change.

I'm sure we can all think of many more examples of Federal, state and local governments easily passing laws and rules which are unconstitutional on their faces. It happens here all the time, and it takes court action or a major change in legislative philosophy to fix (and a fix isn't guaranteed due to the fact that many judges are appointed for political reasons, even though we're all supposed to be above that sort of thing when seeking proper justice).
True enough. I suppose the good news is SCOTUS has strongly favored the free speech part of the first amendment. Most recently in the Phelps case. Hell, too much so because they gave free speech rights to corporations.

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sailingsoul
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Posted - 05/13/2011 :  04:25:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat

It's a typical tactic, so okay, maybe I did. Sorry.
Maybe?

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
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