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filthy
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Posted - 06/11/2011 :  05:40:25  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
…. albeit not for the best of reasons. What seems to have them ticked off is the fact that Ayn Rand was a furious atheist, and the teabaggers have embraced her and bathed in her philosophy like an Arkansas hog cooling off in the cesspool. Indeed, not the best of reasons, but with fundies you takes what you can get and this ain‘t all that bad.
During this time of financial crisis and talk of severe austerity measures in nearly every statehouse across the nation, the philosophy of author Ayn Rand has become a rallying cry for many leading Republicans who see her as something of a patron saint to American capitalism.

But before evangelicals fully commit to the tea party's favorite budget measures -- like eliminating Medicare and food aid for the poor -- one vocal Christian group thinks they should know something about the movement's famous figurehead.

Rand, perhaps best known for coining the philosophy of "Objectivism," was the author of numerous best-selling novels, including "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead." Part and parcel with her philosophy is a complete separation of government and the economy -- an idea antithetical to progressives who see government partly as a policeman meant to protect individuals and communities from the worst abuses of power.

However, it's not just Rand's economic and regulatory arguments that has the non-profit advocacy group American Values Network (AVN) angsty: they want Republican evangelicals to know that Rand was also an atheist who quite literally hated Jesus. They've even produced a video to that effect.

I've never relly understood this "hate Jesus" nonsense. Do any of the ravening hoard of atheists here hate the legendary Nazarene? I don't. To hate something, you must first believe in it, further proving Rand to be a well-written moron and her followers drooling knuckle-draggers.

So let's heist a glass to the AVN; they've earned it, somewhat anyway.




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Posted - 06/11/2011 :  07:18:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Having been raised Christian and being quite familiar with the Gospels, I've never understood how the philosophy of Ayn Rand, which rejects altruism and embraces selfishness, has been adopted by the religious right. Her Objectivism much more appropriately has been a major influence on the Church of Satan, which rejects Christian morality not only because it is based on faith, but because they really think it is counter to human nature and happiness.

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 06/11/2011 :  08:43:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've never relly understood this "hate Jesus" nonsense. Do any of the ravening hoard of atheists here hate the legendary Nazarene?


I've seen words to that effect on this board

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Kil
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Posted - 06/11/2011 :  08:50:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

Having been raised Christian and being quite familiar with the Gospels, I've never understood how the philosophy of Ayn Rand, which rejects altruism and embraces selfishness, has been adopted by the religious right. Her Objectivism much more appropriately has been a major influence on the Church of Satan, which rejects Christian morality not only because it is based on faith, but because they really think it is counter to human nature and happiness.
Yes. But these days, they seem pretty sure that Jesus would approve of laissez-faire capitalism despite any biblical evidence to the contrary. I guess they're willing to over look Rand's flaws because freedom in business with little or no regulation trumps everything else she was for.


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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/11/2011 :  16:48:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy

Do any of the ravening hoard of atheists here hate the legendary Nazarene? I don't.
Neither do I. There's no point in hating that which doesn't exist.

Some Christian ideas are clearly deserving of contempt, however.

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The Rat
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Posted - 06/11/2011 :  18:05:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

I've never relly understood this "hate Jesus" nonsense. Do any of the ravening hoard of atheists here hate the legendary Nazarene?


I've seen words to that effect on this board


No doubt you have. In my experience the people who say things that way are often the 'angry new atheist', someone who runs on anger rather than thought, and hasn't yet learned how to express themselves in the context of their new-found philosophy. I was that way, I'll admit, and it took a while to grow out of it.


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H. Humbert
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Posted - 06/11/2011 :  18:32:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat

Originally posted by On fire for Christ
I've seen words to that effect on this board
No doubt you have. In my experience the people who say things that way are often the 'angry new atheist', someone who runs on anger rather than thought, and hasn't yet learned how to express themselves in the context of their new-found philosophy.
Actually, I very much doubt OFfC saw any such thing on this website. I can't recall a single poster claiming to hate Jesus. Some posters may have pointed out the deplorable actions of Yahweh as depicted in the bible, but I have a hard time imagining anyone of us expressing hatred for Christ (or anything approaching such a sentiment). But fundies tend to define "hate" extremely broadly, so who knows what he meant.


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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 06/12/2011 :  02:20:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Would you like a link?

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/12/2011 :  06:05:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

Would you like a link?
Please, do post as many as possible, that we might put them in context. If could be a matter of interpretation. I imagine since you're Christian, your world view and interpretation of the world is fundamentally different from atheists and agnostics, is could be that your interpretation of what was written differs from how we perceived it.


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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 06/12/2011 :  07:02:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13407&whichpage=3

I think he's a cunt. A viscious, nasty, bully with an astoundingly corrupt moral set. If he wasn't a work of fiction I'd be glad they fuckin' crucified the bastard.


It seems like this guy hates Jesus, although maybe it's just because I'm Christian and I'm interpreting it wrongly.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 06/12/2011 :  10:22:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ
It seems like this guy hates Jesus, although maybe it's just because I'm Christian and I'm interpreting it wrongly.
Ok, I didn't remember that guy. My apologies for doubting you.


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podcat
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Posted - 06/12/2011 :  11:13:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send podcat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You probably didn't remember him because he last posted in July of 2010. Also, welshdean says he's not a atheist.
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=1476&

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He's not an SFN regular, either.
But nice try, OFFC.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/12/2011 :  14:53:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13407&whichpage=3

I think he's a cunt. A viscious, nasty, bully with an astoundingly corrupt moral set.
If he wasn't a work of fiction I'd be glad they fuckin' crucified the bastard.


It seems like this guy hates Jesus, although maybe it's just because I'm Christian and I'm interpreting it wrongly.

Emphasis in the quote above made by me.




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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 06/12/2011 :  16:15:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote

He's not an SFN regular, either.
But nice try, OFFC.


All I said is "I've seen words to that effect on this board." Quoting from a regular would be pretty hard, since these forums only have about 8 regulars.

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podcat
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Posted - 06/12/2011 :  18:22:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send podcat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually, quoting from a regular would be rather easy. You simply link to their post. Your saying there were "words to that effect on this board" was in response to filthy asking if any one "of the ravening hoard of atheists here hate the legendary Nazarene". I've shown your example not to be an atheist.

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sailingsoul
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Posted - 06/13/2011 :  12:27:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat


No doubt you have. In my experience the people who say things that way are often the 'angry new atheist', someone who runs on anger rather than thought, and hasn't yet learned how to express themselves in the context of their new-found philosophy. I was that way, I'll admit, and it took a while to grow out of it.

I do believe that I too had been guilty of such behavior. Not towards Jesus, I believe. I moved on when I realized that I was angry at myself for being deluded and played a fool for so long. So I would vent over zealously, attacking people who believe. Now more often than not I just blow off a response but sometimes I don't. It's no use getting worked up for nothing. I was wondering if OFFC was going to pull up something I might have said from my angry days. It's really just people doing what they shouldn't. We all know theists have said some stupid shit too but that don't make it right.

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