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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/18/2011 :  11:02:03  Show Profile Send flanagan1000 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anyone heard of Rossi? He is going to "show" us the breakthrough of nuclear technology.

http://pesn.com/2011/09/14/9501913_Rossis_One_Megawatt_Reactor_Gets_A_New_E-Cat_Model/

How high are your hopes on this?

Kil
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Posted - 10/18/2011 :  11:49:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by flanagan1000

Anyone heard of Rossi? He is going to "show" us the breakthrough of nuclear technology.

http://pesn.com/2011/09/14/9501913_Rossis_One_Megawatt_Reactor_Gets_A_New_E-Cat_Model/

How high are your hopes on this?
Not very.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Hal
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USA
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Posted - 10/18/2011 :  11:58:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Hal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, sure. Someone finally solves the energy problem, and wouldn't you know it? The world's ending the very same day.


Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Randy
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USA
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Posted - 10/18/2011 :  11:58:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Really, it's another 'lead-into-gold' claim. There's been a lot of cold-fusion claims that fall flat from the get-go.

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/18/2011 :  12:29:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send flanagan1000 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So what are the problems with his design. If you look up on google you kind find these guy proclaiming cold fusion since January:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Rossi_%28entrepreneur%29
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/18/2011 :  12:41:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by flanagan1000

So what are the problems with his design. If you look up on google you kind find these guy proclaiming cold fusion since January:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Rossi_%28entrepreneur%29


And when I was going to college in 198(mumble), there were scientists from Argonne National Labs that spoke on campus about their cold fusion experiment that they believed showed the concept in action.

It turned out they were wrong. They were scientists enough to admit it publically. They did explain how they were fooled by the reaction and byproducts but when they researched it further (prodded by peer review), they discovered their error.

It is likely that Mr. Rossi has stumbled upon the same issue and been fooled.

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/18/2011 :  12:50:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send flanagan1000 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I remember when I was in school about how two Scientists in 1989 who made a huge media announcement about cold fusion. I guess this is not uncommon.
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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 10/18/2011 :  13:23:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by flanagan1000

I remember when I was in school about how two Scientists in 1989 who made a huge media announcement about cold fusion. I guess this is not uncommon.
Scientists who go to the media before going through peer review play a very dangerous game. If they turn out to be wrong, there reputations are toast. And yes. It happens more often than it should.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 10/18/2011 :  16:00:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It looks like E-Cat simply burns hydrogen. If that Athens 1MW installation is real, woe to them when they realize the cost of the fuel.
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/29/2011 :  20:39:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send flanagan1000 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well apparently it was a success... any red flags yet?

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/29/rossi-success
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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 10/29/2011 :  21:06:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by flanagan1000

Well apparently it was a success... any red flags yet?

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/29/rossi-success
But this does not mean we can crack open the champagne and celebrate the end of fossil fuels quite yet. Skeptics have plenty of grounds to doubt whether the new test really takes us any further forwards.

For a start, the US customer remains anonymous. In other words, a group of unknown, unverifiable people carried out tests which cannot be checked.

Secondly, observers apart from the customer were only allowed to view the test for a few minutes at a time and during the entire test the E-Cat remained connected to a power supply by a cable. The external power was supposedly turned off; as a demonstration it would have been more impressive for the reactor in its shipping container to be visibly disconnected while operating.


Why are you here, flanagan?

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/29/2011 :  23:57:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by flanagan1000

Well apparently it was a success... any red flags yet?
The only test I'd accept is if I personally inspected the building containing the thing, and then plugged it into itself and it ran (with a load I specified) for a year straight.

- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
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Why not question something for a change?
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
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Posted - 10/30/2011 :  03:25:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I suspect that the E-Cat creators are doing a pseudo-scientific song and dance to milk investors before it's realized that E-Cat is not as advertised.
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 10/30/2011 :  05:04:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The University of Bologna needs Carl's Sagan's baloney detection kit. Interestingly enough cold fusion is even specifically mentioned at 3:08 minutes in. Add some bread to what has been presented for examination to date and we've got lunch.

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
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