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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
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Posted - 10/23/2011 :  22:35:10  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A few years back, I created a web page that diagrammed the origins of various energy forms and their origins. I dusted it off and made some improvements. It's still just in text form and could use a nice graphic version one of these days.

http://thorgolucky.com/Energy_Origins.html

Any suggestions for improvement? Thanks!

BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard

3192 Posts

Posted - 10/24/2011 :  06:56:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yep,

There are major differences between Alpha/Beta/Gamma rays, their properties and origins.

Different forms of electromagnetism, Magnetars, Liquid planet cores and solid states etc..

Hawking Radiation and CMBR also should get a mention as opposed to just saying it is eventually lost as heat to space.

Solar can be detailed to show the many types, photovoltaic and solar termal are two very different types of solar power.

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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9680 Posts

Posted - 10/24/2011 :  12:15:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was browsing Wikipedia the other day and learned something I didn't know before about nuclear physics.

When Cobalt-60 Beta-decays into Nickel-60 (or any other Beta-decay for that matter)... you usually say that a neutron decays into a proton and an electron (and a electron-antineutrino).

But that's a simplification of what actually happens.

In "reality", inside the neutron one of the down-quarks decays into an up-quark and a W- boson. When that happens, the neutron changes into the proton. A short while thereafter, the W- boson decays into the electron and the electron-antineutrino.
So it happens underneath the surface of the neutron, and in several steps.

It's more like the particle changes flavour or colour from neutron to proton from within.

There's a very neat description on Wikipedia. All you have to remember when reading the right diagram is that the Neutron, "n" at the bottom has 1 u-quark and 2 d-quarks, and the proton, "p" at the top has 2 u-quarks and 1 d-quark.

I think this is so cool...

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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
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Posted - 10/24/2011 :  12:21:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It occurs to me that all forms of usable energy today come from gravity.

Gravity pulled hydrogen together to form the gas clouds, and gravity led to the pressures required to fuse hydrogen and turn on the first stars. Further gravity-fed fusion led to larger and larger atoms being fused together, along with the energy required for supernovae to spread the heavier elements around.

Gravity eventually pulled together our Sun and the Earth, and from their "births," all of the energy available on-planet is owed (directly or indirectly) to sunshine and gravity. And all that sunshine is caused by gravity.

(All on-planet energy except for the Casimir Effect, but we can't get usable energy from it.)

So, the only real questions are, where did the energy come from for Cosmic Inflation, and where does Dark Energy come from? of course, neither can be tapped for our use now.

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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard

3192 Posts

Posted - 10/25/2011 :  05:54:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How about Corolis winds?

Though you kinda made it impossible since the entire Earth is gravity based and anything that takes place on earth is gravity based, hell even burning pure big bang hydrogen would require some stellar oxygen. If you can ignore the fact that all but 2 of the elements are born is stars there are lots of ways to get energy, the chemical reaction in a ice pack comes to mind.

IMO, dark energy is improperly labeled as energy(so far), it could simply be a property of spacetime and not an energy field. /petpeeve

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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26015 Posts

Posted - 10/25/2011 :  06:38:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

How about Corolis winds?
The Earth's rotation is a result of conservation of angular momentum in a gravitationally collapsing cloud of gas and dust.
IMO, dark energy is improperly labeled as energy(so far), it could simply be a property of spacetime and not an energy field. /petpeeve
Possibly. I'll take it at face value for right now.

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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard

3192 Posts

Posted - 10/25/2011 :  06:47:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually our current rotation is defined by the moon forming collision with a protoplanet, never the less it's gravitational.

So how exactly does one recreate the Casimir effect with only hydrogen and helium?;)

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard

3192 Posts

Posted - 10/25/2011 :  07:11:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How about a "perpetual clock", the type which charges itself using atmospheric pressure changes.... I know, I know.

Sigh, it appears that even Superman is powered by gravity...it's an unfair arguement tho since it would be impossible to collect/use this hypothetical non-G energy without large elements.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 10/25/2011 07:17:18
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