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The Rat
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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  07:15:03  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote

The earliest cave art yet discovered.


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alienist
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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  13:01:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send alienist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Does anyone else think the picture looks like DNA?

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Kil
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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  13:27:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by alienist

Does anyone else think the picture looks like DNA?
I think they look like fish.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  13:36:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by alienist

Does anyone else think the picture looks like DNA?
Oh, man. I can totally see some loons trying to make hay from that "fact." The resemblance is there.


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Edited by - H. Humbert on 02/09/2012 13:36:35
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  20:32:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by alienist

Does anyone else think the picture looks like DNA?

That was my first thought.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/09/2012 :  20:51:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I thought at first that the creatures were dolphins, but seals are the best fit, since they have no dorsal fins.

I did not think of DNA. I suppose that any line-drawing representation that requires two lines to define the edges of a somewhat linear body, and then is filled with shading by parallel lines, might looks somewhat like a traditional model of a very short DNA strand. But it's a very weak remembrance, and coincidental, I think.

Actually, I'm amazed at this first known example of Neanderthal art. I, too, thought them entirely incapable of any art. Yet here are seals (perhaps harbor seals), looking rather realistic, and seeming to interact. The Neanderthals clearly observed seals regularly. And the line shading was a rather advanced technique.

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Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/09/2012 20:52:40
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leoofno
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Posted - 02/10/2012 :  07:11:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send leoofno a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Something about the article bothers me. The project leader said "homo sapiens have attributed our selves every achievement, showing [the neanderthals] almost like monkeys." Really? When was the last time Neanderthals were considered "almost like monkeys"? Many decades or longer, I'm sure. While the rest of the article seems reasonable, this raises a red flag for me.

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 02/15/2012 :  01:21:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
wasn't there a theory that Neanderthal cave-art was a crude imitation of human cave art? Like a copied behaviour? If their dates are correct and Humans were not in this area yet, it would seem to put that theory to bed.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/15/2012 :  01:24:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

wasn't there a theory that Neanderthal cave-art was a crude imitation of human cave art? Like a copied behaviour? If their dates are correct and Humans were not in this area yet, it would seem to put that theory to bed.
Good thinking!

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