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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/31/2012 :  17:41:58  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Check out this John Rule cartoon.

No attributions given to Matt Groening.


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

Kil
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Posted - 08/31/2012 :  18:33:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored

Check out this John Rule cartoon.

No attributions given to Matt Groening.


According to this (page 45, which is only page 3 in the link) it is. Unless John Rule was permitted by Matt Groening to do that.

Check this too:

http://www.owe.com/legalities/legalities29.htm

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Why not question something for a change?

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The Rat
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Posted - 09/03/2012 :  19:07:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote

I'm no lawyer, but here is my opinion: If they had simply used the cartoon on their site, it might fall under the 'fair use' or 'legitimate parody' provisions of copyright law. But they took it one step further by offering signed prints. That means that they are making money and/or recognition off another's work, and in my humble opinion they should therefore be screwed over really good!


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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 09/04/2012 :  02:23:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If only copyright law was a matter of opinion.

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/04/2012 :  05:40:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored

Check out this John Rule cartoon.

No attributions given to Matt Groening.




Then he is fucked.

Rule has the intent here of weakening Groenings work and passing it off as his own. The kicker is he seeks to make money off of it.

Fair use has it's limits. He is no longer parodying Groening's work.

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 09/04/2012 :  09:07:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And John Rule's not just failing to credit Groening for the Marge and Ned characters, he's outright claiming his own copyright of the cartoon, presumably including ownership of those characters. That looks a lot more like (attempted) theft than Fair Use.

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Kil
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Posted - 09/04/2012 :  09:23:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Interestingly, the post still exists and it's an old post. Maybe Groening didn't give a crap, or maybe it's been dealt with because both the signed print and download image links are dead.

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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 09/07/2012 :  05:47:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Time for a "skeptical" version! Mooner?
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the_ignored
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Posted - 09/07/2012 :  08:56:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From what I see, all of that guy's signed print image links seem to be down so maybe that's not it at all.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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