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the_ignored
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Posted - 09/18/2012 :  12:45:17  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Apparently so.

A concept for a real-life warp drive was suggested in 1994 by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre; however, subsequent calculations found that such a device would require prohibitive amounts of energy.

Now physicists say that adjustments can be made to the proposed warp drive that would enable it to run on significantly less energy, potentially bringing the idea back from the realm of science fiction into science.


An Alcubierre warp drive would involve a football-shape spacecraft attached to a large ring encircling it. This ring, potentially made of exotic matter, would cause space-time to warp around the starship, creating a region of contracted space in front of it and expanded space behind


The only problem is, previous studies estimated the warp drive would require a minimum amount of energy about equal to the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.

But recently White calculated what would happen if the shape of the ring encircling the spacecraft was adjusted into more of a rounded donut, as opposed to a flat ring. He found in that case, the warp drive could be powered by a mass about the size of a spacecraft like the Voyager 1 probe NASA launched in 1977.



Read on...those guys are even doing small scale lab tests!


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
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> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

Doctor X
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Posted - 09/18/2012 :  13:01:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Doctor X a Private Message  Reply with Quote


Sooooonnnnn. . . .

--J.D.

His secrets are not sold cheaply.
It is perilous to waste his time.
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Hal
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Posted - 09/18/2012 :  13:21:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Hal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Too early to start investing in "Exotic Matter" futures?

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the_ignored
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Posted - 09/18/2012 :  15:57:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I wondered what the hell that was supposed to be.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 09/18/2012 :  16:25:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The only problem is, previous studies estimated the warp drive would require a minimum amount of energy about equal to the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.


Yeah...that's the only problem...

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sailingsoul
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Posted - 09/18/2012 :  20:17:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Hal

Too early to start investing in "Exotic Matter" futures?



Not at all, want my brokers number? He sold me 100,000 Asteroid Mining futures.

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
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the_ignored
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Posted - 09/19/2012 :  05:27:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

The only problem is, previous studies estimated the warp drive would require a minimum amount of energy about equal to the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.


Yeah...that's the only problem...

Was a problem, apparently. Read the next paragraph.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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Hal
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Posted - 09/19/2012 :  05:44:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Hal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by sailingsoul

Originally posted by Hal

Too early to start investing in "Exotic Matter" futures?



Not at all, want my brokers number? He sold me 100,000 Asteroid Mining futures.


I'm a little short on funds at the moment. I may have to sell my shares in that unobtainium mine.

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/19/2012 :  06:28:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Hal

Originally posted by sailingsoul

Originally posted by Hal

Too early to start investing in "Exotic Matter" futures?



Not at all, want my brokers number? He sold me 100,000 Asteroid Mining futures.


I'm a little short on funds at the moment. I may have to sell my shares in that unobtainium mine.




Damn, you beat me to the Unobtainium thing.

Oh well, I'm figuring on buying stock in Krispy Kremes. That's pretty exotic (and tasty) matter.

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

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Doctor X
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Posted - 09/19/2012 :  06:39:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Doctor X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Unfortunately, the person who has claimed the rights to the greatest source of Exotic Matter is:



--J.D.

His secrets are not sold cheaply.
It is perilous to waste his time.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/25/2012 :  06:11:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Hal

Too early to start investing in "Exotic Matter" futures?




No, but I have some prime swamp land for sale on Dagobah, including a fully furnished mud hut.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 09/25/2012 :  12:58:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The latest SGU podcast discussed this warp drive possibility. The energy requirement could be greatly reduced by altering the shape of the craft to a torus (to the delight of the Thrive community, ha) but would still require much energy. Oh and those pesky details of needing exotic matter that doesn't exist and the problem of a black hole forming in front of the craft and frying the contents with Hawking radiation. Piffle.





Edited by - ThorGoLucky on 09/25/2012 13:00:07
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