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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/06/2012 :  11:05:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"Mathology" what are you a middle schooler or something?

Your silly sophistry is transparent and sad.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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THoR
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Posted - 09/06/2012 :  13:03:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit THoR's Homepage Send THoR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

So in your mind, empty space is something that exists? Wouldn't space have to be an entity, then

That which does not "exist" has no physical presence in the cosmos. That something has no mass - is not 'material' in nature doesn't mean it does not exist.

I would procrastinate but I never seem to get around to it.
Edited by - THoR on 09/06/2012 13:15:50
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THoR
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Posted - 09/06/2012 :  13:13:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit THoR's Homepage Send THoR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

According to you, empty space follows some natural law unknown to all physicists which states that space can't be created (then how did it get here in the first place?). Yet you demand that the cosmologists prove you wrong instead of providing evidence for your own hypothesis.
How did it get here??? C'mon. Are you kidding? They bought it at Walmart....duh. And WHEN do you suppose the FIRST place was?

Unless you are a creationist and believe the cosmos was conjured by some mystereous omnipotent deity in a miraculous act of divine inspiration, the myth of creation is demonstrably illogical.

Something must exist in order to change or be changed. Existence in the absence of change is possible, but change in the absence of existence is not. To the cogent, this means existence is the source of cause and effect and not the result of it.

Proof: What is the last thing (existence not condition) you saw spontaneously pop into being...and what were you smoking?

I would procrastinate but I never seem to get around to it.
Edited by - THoR on 09/06/2012 13:16:53
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Kil
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Posted - 09/06/2012 :  15:39:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by THoR
Proof: What is the last thing (existence not condition) you saw spontaneously pop into being...and what were you smoking?

Can You Get Something For Nothing?

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/06/2012 :  16:37:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by THoR

How did it get here??? C'mon. Are you kidding? They bought it at Walmart....duh. And WHEN do you suppose the FIRST place was?

Unless you are a creationist and believe the cosmos was conjured by some mystereous omnipotent deity in a miraculous act of divine inspiration, the myth of creation is demonstrably illogical.

Something must exist in order to change or be changed. Existence in the absence of change is possible, but change in the absence of existence is not. To the cogent, this means existence is the source of cause and effect and not the result of it.
So if the Big Bang is a myth and space was never created, it must be eternal, then, yes? If so, how do you explain the fact that the universe hasn't already experienced heat death? Are the laws of thermodynamics mythical, too?
Proof: What is the last thing (existence not condition) you saw spontaneously pop into being...and what were you smoking?
When was the last time you saw anything outside the universe to verify that there is something that exists out there?

Is purple a condition?

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/06/2012 :  16:37:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

four-dimensional pig-state vector. I never thought I'd read that.
That'll be $20.

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