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sailingsoul
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Posted - 01/29/2013 :  22:38:04  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I wonder what the chances are for the Senate passing this law. It passed in the House. I'll believe it when I see it. Linky
,,, The House of Representatives just passed No Budget, No Pay. Now it goes to the Senate!

Congress has only passed a budget and all spending bills necessary to fund the government four times in the past 60 years. Congress has the lowest public approval rating in history. It all comes down to a simple fact: Congress is not doing its job and the most basic job Congress has is deciding how much money the government takes in and how much it spends.

If Congress can't make spending and budget decisions on time, then lawmakers should not get paid.
Congress can't agree on anything these days, I'm betting they can agree to not pass this bill but who knows.

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS

Machi4velli
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  18:16:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Machi4velli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I feel like it's a meaningless bill pushed for publicity by the sponsors. It's not worth any money to speak of (in relation to government budgets).

But, whatever, it's a no-lose situation for tax-payers if it would get passed. There may be an argument that it makes the job less viable for less rich candidates.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  20:21:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I read a newspaper article about this. It's a dead issue because Congress is barred from passing any legislation that changes their salaries for that term. It's supposed to keep them from giving themselves raises, but it also means they can't legally take a pay cut either.


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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

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Edited by - H. Humbert on 01/30/2013 20:23:35
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 01/31/2013 :  01:56:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

I read a newspaper article about this. It's a dead issue because Congress is barred from passing any legislation that changes their salaries for that term. It's supposed to keep them from giving themselves raises, but it also means they can't legally take a pay cut either.


Was that what the article's take of the situation or your understanding H.H.? It doesn't have to be a salary reduction just a matter of not being able to collect their salaries until they pass a budget. I haven't seen the wording.

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/31/2013 :  06:24:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by sailingsoul

Originally posted by H. Humbert

I read a newspaper article about this. It's a dead issue because Congress is barred from passing any legislation that changes their salaries for that term. It's supposed to keep them from giving themselves raises, but it also means they can't legally take a pay cut either.


Was that what the article's take of the situation or your understanding H.H.? It doesn't have to be a salary reduction just a matter of not being able to collect their salaries until they pass a budget. I haven't seen the wording.


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Kil
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Posted - 01/31/2013 :  10:10:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This whole thing is a gimmick. It's just a way to embarrass the Senate Democrats. The thing is, budgets are non binding, and there really haven't been many of them.

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sailingsoul
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Posted - 02/01/2013 :  00:00:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote

The Senate may have passed 'No Budget No Pay,' but Congress Will Still Get Paid No Matter What.

Read more:

But as I thought they don't loose their pay they just don't get it right until they pass a budget.
If Congress doesn't agree to a concurrent resolution on the 2014 budget by April 15, the payroll administrators of the House and Senate will deposit all paychecks into an escrow account.


If that's the case how's it a gimmick?

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
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Kil
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Posted - 02/01/2013 :  01:58:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by sailingsoul


The Senate may have passed 'No Budget No Pay,' but Congress Will Still Get Paid No Matter What.

Read more:

But as I thought they don't loose their pay they just don't get it right until they pass a budget.
If Congress doesn't agree to a concurrent resolution on the 2014 budget by April 15, the payroll administrators of the House and Senate will deposit all paychecks into an escrow account.


If that's the case how's it a gimmick?

Okay. Here's the deal. The idea is to slap the Senate Democrats as they draw attention away from the fact that they will allow at least a temporary raise on the debt ceiling. Their backs were to the wall, and after losing the fiscal cliff battle, using the debt ceiling as blackmail and not raising it would be even worse for the world economy, not to mention our own. So they threw this bone at the tea party Republicans. Naturally the Dems voted for it, mostly. But it really doesn't do anything much, being that budgets are non binding, and the debt ceiling battle will resume in a few months. In other words, it was their way to save face.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/01/2013 :  06:58:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by sailingsoul


The Senate may have passed 'No Budget No Pay,' but Congress Will Still Get Paid No Matter What.

Read more:

But as I thought they don't loose their pay they just don't get it right until they pass a budget.
If Congress doesn't agree to a concurrent resolution on the 2014 budget by April 15, the payroll administrators of the House and Senate will deposit all paychecks into an escrow account.


If that's the case how's it a gimmick?



Its a gimmick because the independently wealthy members of Congress aren't out jack squat.

No budget? Who cares? We just collect a hefty sum while defrauding the IRS out of the tax dollars in a clever dodge. No pay = no taxes paid (including to SSA).

They get all of the money in escrow when a budget is passed or when they leave office. (and the IRS and SSA get their deferred cut with no penalty) Whichever comes first. It also serves as a disincentive for regular folk like us to run for federal office. Keeps it all elitey up in that bitch.


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