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Tim Thompson
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Posted - 03/06/2013 :  20:18:19  Show Profile  Visit Tim Thompson's Homepage Send Tim Thompson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
FYI, I see that one of the arch-angels in the pantheon of young-Earth creationism, Duane Gish, passed away on March 5. While I don't much like the idea of "celebrating" anyone's death, it's hard to avoid the obvious conclusion that Gish certainly did much harm in the area of science education, and at least in that narrow sense, the farther he is from it (and now he is as far as it gets), the better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Gish
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/03/06/Gish-home

The point of philosophy is to start with something so simple as not to seem worth stating, and to end with something so paradoxical that no one will believe it. -- Bertrand Russell

Valiant Dancer
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USA
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Posted - 03/07/2013 :  06:33:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Tim Thompson

FYI, I see that one of the arch-angels in the pantheon of young-Earth creationism, Duane Gish, passed away on March 5. While I don't much like the idea of "celebrating" anyone's death, it's hard to avoid the obvious conclusion that Gish certainly did much harm in the area of science education, and at least in that narrow sense, the farther he is from it (and now he is as far as it gets), the better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Gish
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/03/06/Gish-home


I never cheer when the monster dies. There is always a more subtle one waiting in the wings.

At least Gish was out in the open where he could be countered effectively.

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13470 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2013 :  08:10:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

At least Gish was out in the open where he could be countered effectively.
Countered mostly in writing. His style of debate, the "Gish Gallup," made live debates a joke. He would throw out so much baloney that a live debater couldn't rebut most of it. Kent Hovind used that style too as did many of the leading creationists. It was because of that style of debating that many people like Richard Dawkins decided that live debates with them were a waste of time.

Anyhow, back in the late nineties, some SFN members and I visited the ICR museum in San Diego. It was there that I met Duan Gish:

The Skeptic Friend's visit to the ICR

This is so far back in our history that we still had a chat room on AOL.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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the_ignored
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Posted - 03/07/2013 :  17:13:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That link doesn't work...it goes to an youtube video about "Vegetarians and Heart Disease".

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13470 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2013 :  17:48:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored

That link doesn't work...it goes to an youtube video about "Vegetarians and Heart Disease".
Ha! It's fixed now.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Randy
SFN Regular

USA
1990 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2013 :  18:07:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens (as he remarked of Jerry Falwell's demise), "If given an enema, he could be buried in a matchbox."

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
1467 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2013 :  18:36:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer


I never cheer when the monster dies. There is always a more subtle one waiting in the wings.

Similar yet more poetic than I was thinking, thanks.
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the_ignored
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2558 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2013 :  07:51:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I found some examples of how dishonest Gish was. Mind you, it has been theorized by someone who spent some time with him, that Gish was deluding himself as well.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
Edited by - the_ignored on 03/09/2013 07:52:23
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