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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 12/22/2013 : 04:13:21 [Permalink]
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After years of this behavior, there is no reason to think that the Bushes and the Clintons meant anything other than the destruction of a society that wasn't far from the edges of being a "first world" country, and Obama carried it on as long as he could. There is no mistake.
Originally posted by On fire for Christ
yeah the invasion in retrospect was a mistake. But not for the reasons people were saying before it started. It was a mistake because Iraq doesn't seem to be better off now. Or at least they have different but still very real problems. If Iraq was now in a peaceful democracy would the anti-war protesters admit they were wrong? I doubt it, because their original concerns weren't with the end result, it was the process. My concern was always the end result.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 12/22/2013 : 13:57:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
yeah the invasion in retrospect was a mistake.
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The invasion wasn't "a mistake". It was a fucking travesty!
It shouldn't have happened in the first place. It was a war of aggression against a country which posed no danger to USA or England.
It was a violation of international law.
It was a violation of Jus gentium
The conduct by the forces during the invasion violated the Geneva Convention on several points. The failure to maintain law and order in the occupied territory violated the Geneva Convention.
I consider USA and England war criminals for what they have done.
But there's a bigger issue to this. Because two major powers of the world decided the Geneva Convention isn't worth shit, they opened the door to every other country and fighting forces in the world: double standard is King, no point in following the Convention since your opponent won't care anyway. So it's going to be open season on any soldiers.
For every American (or English) soldier captured and tortured, I say "bo-hooo... Cry me a fucking river, then go and blame your own government for keeping the ball rolling."
If Iraq was now in a peaceful democracy would the anti-war protesters admit they were wrong?
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Iraq being a peaceful democracy or the mess it is now has absolutely nothing to do with me being right or wrong.
I know I am right:
Even if Iraq was a peaceful democracy today, the invasion would still be a fucking travesty for the reasons I've already enumerated above. Violations of international law and the Geneva Conventions.
My concern was always the end result.
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So you think the end justify the means? That's just plain evil waiting to happen!
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Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/22/2013 : 17:41:27 [Permalink]
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Hitchens also was a "strong influence" on a young man who decided to put his life on the line. How many died because of Hitchens' promotion of U.S. terrorism?
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/hitchens200711 |
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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Robert Hunter
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 01/05/2014 : 12:38:03 [Permalink]
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| I would like a bit of clarification, if you don't mind Gorgo. Being a strong influence is one thing. He was and still is a strong influence on me and countless others. He will be a strong influence to those who are born after his death, through videos of him saying his thing and other recorded output from him. This is true, however are you thinking or saying Christopher Hitchens is responsible for this man's death? |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/05/2014 : 16:13:55 [Permalink]
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sailingsoul, what does "strong influence" mean? The article isn't clear. Does it mean that he wouldn't have gone if it weren't for Hitchens? Would he have gone if Hitchens' writing had been a "strong influence" to do something constructive, or would Daily have found some other "strong influence?" Does what Daily did matter, as it pertains to Hitchens?
Was Hitchens not happy to send other people to commit the crimes he supported, whether or not the war even took place? He was someone who purported to be a journalist, a person who cared about facts, that instead urged people to follow the lies.
Just because Hitchens supported criminal actions in one area, does that mean that we shouldn't applaud what he did in other areas? In what other areas should we applaud him? Did he give us some special knowledge that overshadowed the lies that he was pushing?
I'm still up in the air about Hitchens, even after reading Richard Seymour, but I'm having trouble getting too excited about celebrating him. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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