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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 01/31/2006 : 11:58:33 [Permalink]
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Did i miss something where somebody was claiming Bill was a credible person?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 12:22:02 [Permalink]
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http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=20059
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 14:04:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
Like these sites or not, there's enough here to expose O'Reilly if you're interested.
He misquotes people and distorts accounts of events then presents them as fact on his show and in his books. Dave Letterman called him a liar on his show I believe as well. It was because O'Reilly had distorted what Cindy Sheehan had said. And a lot of people were disgusted with how O'Reilly treated Jeremy Glick who's father died in the Trade Center. Glick has made it public he does not want his father's death used as an excuse to invade Iraq.
Try these, pick out the lies among the liberal rants but the lies are indeed there.
Media Matters:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200601040009
http://mediamatters.org/items/200601200012
Misc. sites:
http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/
http://www.newshounds.us/2004/07/22/oreilly_lies_about_jeremy_glick_again.php
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-10.htm
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/billspins.htm
http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/10/23/bill-oreilly-lies/
And I guess his book just had porno scenes rather than being totally pornographic. Next time you're in the book store flip through to the scene where he sneaks up on the girl in the shower with his "General at attention" and rubs her with the loofah. It's really similar to the tape the co-worker had on her voice mail from him if you had a chance to hear that.
Eeeww. Makes me disgusted thinking about him.
And of course, Frankin himself has a page on his dear friend:
http://www.lyingliar.com/oreilly.htm
Al is a liberal but he is very careful about supporting his claims with evidence and facts that can be checked. If he does make a mistake he will indeed correct himself on air on his show.
With all the problems the Bush administration is having in Iraq, with surging oil prices, and with the media hammering the president 24/7 on just about everything, you would think liberalism would be getting some traction in North America. But apparently it's not.
Polls show that Americans support conservative Judge Samuel Alito for the Supreme Court by a wide margin, Canada just elected a conservative Prime Minister after 13 years of liberal rule, and the President's terror warrior poll numbers dwarf those of any Democrat, despite all the controversies over eavesdropping and interrogation.
So what's going on?
The answer to that question can best be summed up by a new Gallup poll which says that 51% of Americans will not vote for Senator Hillary Clinton under any circumstances, should she secure the Democratic nomination for President.
So, apparently, it doesn't matter what Mr. Bush is doing, most Americans don't want the most well-known liberal Democrat in the country sitting in the White House.
That's a tough situation for the left. All the Bush-bashing in the world does not seem to be making liberal candidates more attractive. And the bashing might just be the problem.
For example, the four Bush-hating columnists at The New York Times, Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman, Bob Herbert and Frank Rich, have written an astounding 148 anti-Bush op-ed pieces in the past 13 months. That represents 47% of their total work output. I mean, how much loathing do you need? Why doesn't the Times just put a "We Hate Bush!" banner on its op-ed page, and have everybody take a long lunch?
This kind of over-reaction to a sitting President actually creates some sympathy for him among fair-minded Americans. After a while, the cacophony of hatred from the left is just numbing.
And it's also mean. American women, particularly, do not respond well to nastiness. Do you think Ted Kennedy's attacks on Samuel Alito and the subsequent tears from this wife helped the Democrats? Do you?
To be fair, Republicans made the same mistake with all the Clinton bashing. After a while, it just became boring.
But that was then, and this is now. We are living in a much more dangerous time. All the polls show that Americans remain uneasy about terrorism and their own personal security. And in this area, the Democrats poll far below the Republicans.
That's because the Dems do not put forth concrete solutions to vexing problems. What's the liberal solution to the chaotic illegal immigration situation and the porous southern border? How would the left handle Iran if it continues to develop nukes? And on Iraq, the Democratic message is mixed. Hillary wants to win it; Howard Dean says we can't achieve victory. When it comes to cohesion, the Democrat Party rivals the Balkans.
Finally, the left-wing media unknowingly hurts the Democrats, the very party it wants to promote. By making celebrities of loons like Cindy Sheehan and Harry Belafonte, the press spotlights the radicalism on display on the fringes of the Democrat party.
Republicans and conservatives hoot down Ms. Sheehan and Mr. Belafonte all day long, but liberals are largely silent. Believe me, that silence does not go unnoticed by independent-minded Americans.
And the Democrats have little chance to regain power in America without a substantial number of independents shifting to their cause. But right now, that is not happening, and I see no liberal strategy on the horizon to change the situation.
At this point, the champions of the blue states are, indeed, singing the blues.
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 14:49:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
To be fair, Republicans made the same mistake with all the Clinton bashing.
And you're surprised they take the chance of evening the scores?
However, Republicans attacked Clinton on such an inconsequential thing as having a blowjob by someone else than his wife.
What are certain Republicans investigated for?
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 15:06:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
And it's also mean.
And telling lies about people like O'Reilly does isn't mean?
Hypocritical idiots like Limbaugh backtalk ACLU, but when ACLU steps in to try to stop Limbaughs medical record from being releasd by order of some judge (the oxycodone "scandal" some time ago), he's silent? I haven't heard anything, maybe you have? |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 15:09:40 [Permalink]
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beskepigal scribbled: quote:
And of course, Frankin himself has a page on his dear friend:
http://www.lyingliar.com/oreilly.htm
Oops! That final link is to an anti-Franken Web site, one filled with right-wing lies. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 15:34:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Finally, the left-wing media unknowingly hurts the Democrats, the very party it wants to promote. By making celebrities of loons like Cindy Sheehan and Harry Belafonte, the press spotlights the radicalism on display on the fringes of the Democrat party.
How is Sheehan a part of the lunatic fringe? She's a peace activist who lost her son. When that's considered "loony," you know we live in dark times.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 17:14:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
beskepigal scribbled: quote:
And of course, Frankin himself has a page on his dear friend:
http://www.lyingliar.com/oreilly.htm
Oops! That final link is to an anti-Franken Web site, one filled with right-wing lies.
That is disgusting and thank you for bringing it to my attention. I remember now hearing about that site. I stupidly didn't take the time to look at it before posting it.
Pretty sleazy to lie and call yourself an Al Franken official website and then go on to talk about how you've been wrongly accused of lying. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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3834 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2006 : 17:18:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Did i miss something where somebody was claiming Bill was a credible person?
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Originally posted by Snake on the Frey-Oprah thread
I like the way O'Reilly is clam and explains things. Unlike those who are so far to one side or the other of an issue who get, we'll be polite and say....overly excited and don't express their views very well because they are so busy complaining about the Democrats or Republicans.
I don't know what Frankin's Lies and the Lying Liars is. And I don't know about a Frankin radio show or Media Matters, what is all that? If it's a place that has neutral information about issues like the 'League of Women Voters' does, then I'll be happy to look at it.
I'm a little uncomfortable with the word liar in that title, sounds like people calling each other names and slanting a POV.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 17:42:57 [Permalink]
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beskeptigal observed: quote:
Pretty sleazy to lie and call yourself an Al Franken official website and then go on to talk about how you've been wrongly accused of lying.
I'll say! But these folks have nothing but lies that can defend their irrational, hate-filled positions. The dynamic of this kind of dishonesty is that it leads inevitably to bigger and bigger whoppers, each piled atop the last as the are exposed.
I remember learning that lesson the hard way as a very young kid. I'd start lying to my parents, then the shit would hit the fan. It got bafflingly complicated for me, scrambling to cover for one lie with yet another. After learning that lesson, I have mostly told the truth, if only for the sake of simplicity.
But guys like O'Reilly never grow up in that regard. He's still a lying toddler at heart. I recall Senator Joe McCarthy's pathetic end, as he mumbled more and more irrationally after his house of cards collapsed. This will happen to O'Reilly, too. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 18:13:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I remember learning that lesson the hard way as a very young kid. I'd start lying to my parents, then the shit would hit the fan. It got bafflingly complicated for me, scrambling to cover for one lie with yet another. After learning that lesson, I have mostly told the truth, if only for the sake of simplicity.
"If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." --Mark Twain.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 01/31/2006 : 18:18:36 [Permalink]
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H.Humbert quoted: quote:
"If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." --Mark Twain
So true. Twain always encapsulated ideas much better than I could. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
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2103 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2006 : 06:27:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
quote:
Originally posted by Bill scott
And it's also mean.
And telling lies about people like O'Reilly does isn't mean?
Hypocritical idiots like Limbaugh backtalk ACLU, but when ACLU steps in to try to stop Limbaughs medical record from being releasd by order of some judge (the oxycodone "scandal" some time ago), he's silent? I haven't heard anything, maybe you have?
The ACLU? They are the biggest enemy to the people of the US we have today. They are the biggest road block to stoping homosexual child predators that there is. They are a bigger threat to America's young boys then father parrish is. This fring org. operates in the bizzaro world of right and wrong. I am not surprised at all that you defend them.
Go Brokeback... What a joke... The movie pulled in 40mil and is being billed as the best thing since sliced bread. King Kong, which was a fricken retarted movie, pulled in 250mill. I am sure ACLU went to dinner and BB for their winter solstice celebration. What a bunch of clowns! |
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Starman
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 06:41:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
The ACLU? They are the biggest enemy to the people of the US we have today.
Why do you hate freedom so much? quote:
They are the biggest road block to stoping homosexual child predators that there is.
Please explain what this has to do with the ACLU.
Btw, is homosexual child predators more dangerous than heterosexual child predators?
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/01/2006 : 06:53:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
quote:
Originally posted by Bill scott
The ACLU? They are the biggest enemy to the people of the US we have today.
Why do you hate freedom so much? quote:
They are the biggest road block to stoping homosexual child predators that there is.
Please explain what this has to do with the ACLU.
Btw, is homosexual child predators more dangerous than heterosexual child predators?
Why do you hate freedom so much?
(bill) I hate the fact that they (ACLU) defend the freedoms of child pervs
Please explain what this has to do with the ACLU.
(bill) They defend homo child pervs. Free of charge in many cases.
Btw, is homosexual child predators more dangerous than heterosexual child predators?
(bill) No. But ACLU seems to have a fetish with defending homo child perv. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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