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FE6666
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Posted - 10/27/2006 :  16:29:48  Show Profile Send FE6666 a Private Message
[User FE6666 posted a lot of diatribes in favor of Jomanda, but then, months later, deleted all of them and left behind only a few links to his private forum. A few days later, he deleted those, and even the title of this thread, which will now be locked. - Dave W.]

Edited by - FE6666 on 05/09/2007 07:29:46

Dave W.
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Posted - 10/27/2006 :  19:50:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
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Europe, The Netherlands, 27 october 2006 - By Frank Eeken
Can anyone find a link to the original of the above? It's obviously been translated from somewhere else.

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Kil
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Posted - 10/27/2006 :  20:35:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
http://noordwestveluwe.sp.nl/gastenboek.stm

This looks like it.

Can't find the translated version.

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Kil
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Posted - 10/27/2006 :  21:16:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by FE6666

quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Europe, The Netherlands, 27 october 2006 - By Frank Eeken
Can anyone find a link to the original of the above? It's obviously been translated from somewhere else.



http://www.genverbrander.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10185#10185


Okay. So it was translated from a post that was copied from an article. Does that about cover it? Did you do the translation FE6666?

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/27/2006 :  21:20:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
I haven't found the original of the OP, but I found this forum thread. Frank Eeken posted a long, rambling OT attack in a Dutch paranormalist forum, attacking nearly everything he could name, except himself -- he repeatedly quoted people who congratulate him. After that post, another person wrote:
quote:
Beste Frank,

Waarom HIJACK je deze draad voor het posten van in het geheel niet relevante informatie?

Op de eerste plaats heeft het niets met de boeken van Jozef Rulof te maken.
Op de tweede plaats heeft het niets met de discussie in deze draad te maken.

Wellicht zou je een nieuwe draad kunnen openen om deze "medische" informatie te plaatsen..... tenzij je er een verborgen agenda op nahoudt...... die voor mij persoonlijk nu redelijk duidelijk begint te worden.

Groetjes, Arnold

Translated (roughly) by Alta Vista (I have inserted "thread" as a translation for "draad," in substitution for Alta Vista's misuse of "wire"), it says :
quote:
Dear franc, Why HIJACK you this [thread] for posting in the entirely not relevant information? On the first it has do nothing with the books of Jozef Rulof. On the Second it has do nothing with the discussion in this [thread]. Possibly you a new [thread] are able open to place unless this "medical" information..... you keep a hidden agenda...... that for me personally now reasonable clearly start become. Groetjes, Arnold
Eeken seems to be an international troll and spammer, always looking for a place to post his actively dangerous New Age nonsense. At least here, he didn't interrupt another thread. His translation for our forum is especially difficult to read, but Eeken to be trying to somehow use the death of Dutch TV celebrity Sylvia Millecam (who sought quack practioner Jomanda's psychic "help" when she was suffering from breast cancer) in defense of quackery. If I were trying to help the quacks, I'd want to talk about anything at all except for this horrible death-by-quackery incident!


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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/27/2006 :  21:23:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Well, this highlights one of the gray areas of our "forum spam" rule. It's obviously been copied-and-pasted from another forum - otherwise we wouldn't see the failed forum tags (our system has no [/color] tag) - but it's been translated. I'll have to give this a think or two.

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Kil
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Posted - 10/27/2006 :  21:27:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Looks like Eeken has left us a post then. On top of everything else, I'm trying to figure out if it was largely plagerized. Can you plagerize yourself? The article pre-dates the forum post.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/27/2006 :  21:28:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

Well, this highlights one of the gray areas of our "forum spam" rule. It's obviously been copied-and-pasted from another forum - otherwise we wouldn't see the failed forum tags (our system has no [/color] tag) - but it's been translated. I'll have to give this a think or two.

If it's a marginal judgement call, Dave, I'd vote (okay, I know I have no vote) to go with leaving it, in the general open spirit of these fora.


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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/27/2006 :  22:23:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
It's going to quickly sink to the bottom of the tank anyway. Just another silly hit-n-run.


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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  02:12:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert

It's going to quickly sink to the bottom of the tank anyway. Just another silly hit-n-run.



On the other hand, it just might roll over on its back, and float to the top of the tank.


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Kil
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  09:44:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
May I make a suggestion FE6666? Based on what I see in the above post, your English is actually pretty darn good. On the other hand your original post here is close to unreadable. So it might be helpful to write something up in English.

I would also stick to one subject at a time when doing that.

Also, who owns the copyright on the article/essay?

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filthy
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  11:00:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I think that Jomanda should get in contact with James Randi. She might be the one to finally relieve him of his burden of a million dollars.

There's just gotta be someone out there who can do it....




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filthy
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  13:37:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
FE6666, I do not believe in psychics; none of them. Until and unless their 'abilities' can be supported by empirical evidence, they are all no more than another ripoff of the gullible, albeit a ripoff of ancient vintage.

Ancedotes are not empirical evidence.

So, did Jomanda take Randi up on his challenge?




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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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Edited by - filthy on 10/28/2006 13:39:34
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  13:58:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
I think, Filthy, that Mr. Eeken is saying that the James Randi Challenge is a "fraud and scam."

The implication is that Jomanda has not accepted the Challenge, and is just another faker who screams "fraud!" whenever their own lies are called to evidentiary account.

In truth, the Challenge tends to separate the deliberate, outright liars like Jomanda from those honest but deluded folks who really believe their own paranormal claims. The latter may actually try to get their claims proven, while the former (like Sylvia Browne or Jomanda), knowing the falsehood of their claims, smartly avoid any scientific investigation at all cost.


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filthy
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  14:14:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner

I think, Filthy, that Mr. Eeken is saying that the James Randi Challenge is a "fraud and scam."

The implication is that Jomanda has not accepted the Challenge, and is just another faker who screams "fraud!" whenever their own lies are called to evidentiary account.

In truth, the Challenge tends to separate the deliberate, outright liars like Jomanda from those honest but deluded folks who really believe their own paranormal claims. The latter may actually try to get their claims proven, while the former (like Sylvia Browne or Jomanda), knowing the falsehood of their claims, smartly avoid any scientific investigation at all cost.



Yeah, I know. I'm just wondering how far our newest cut & paste artist will go in support of this fraud.

The sad part is that breast cancer is a real scourge, but yet there are those who would seek to take advantage of it.




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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  14:59:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
In advance, a happy Halloween, everyone!

Mythical vampires (a recent topic on another thread) have to prey on the innocent in order to survive. Bloodsucking parasites like Jomanda are unfortunately not mythical.

They prey upon the desperately ill with lies and false hopes, simply in order to enrich themselves.

The Jomandas of this world make vampires look like saints in comparison. They defame and avoid James Randi just as a vampire would curse and flee from Van Helsing, and for the same reason. And they always seem to be able to find willing, credulous fools like Mr. Eeken to defend them.


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Edited by - HalfMooner on 10/28/2006 15:00:37
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