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Dude
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Posted - 05/17/2007 :  14:58:29  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18721356/

Is it just me, or have there been more than the usual number of problems with our food supply of late?

E. coli in spinach, peanutbutter, now beef? Melamine killing pets and entering the human food supply?

Seems like there is more of this than the norm the last couple of years.


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Kil
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Posted - 05/17/2007 :  16:10:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This may help to explain the problem.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 05/17/2007 :  19:19:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The theory I heard about the melamine problem was that the substance may have been added by the Chinese wheat gluten manufacturer to raise their product's apparent protein content. Not that melamine is a protein, but it contains a high level of nitrogen, which would make it appear (in rough analysis) to be higher in protein. So a simple scam to get more for the wheat gluten may have resulted in the deaths of many pets, and perhaps some humans as well. As well as a disaster for part of the American animal food processing industry, and doom for the Chinese company.

But greed often works out to be short-sighted like that.




Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 05/17/2007 19:54:05
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Dude
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Posted - 05/17/2007 :  23:03:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I know the FDA doesn't inspect much (that has always been the case though), and I read about the reasons why melamine may have been added by the Chinese supplier.

What I'm getting at, I guess, is that there seems to be less voluntary quality control by producers. I mean, how the hell does peanut butter get contaminated by E. coli outside of very poor internal QC at the production facility?

How much would it cost those pet food makers to run an actual content analysis on their imported gluten, before they paid to have it shipped?


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-- Thomas Jefferson

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 05/18/2007 :  04:35:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Ghost_Skeptic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

I know the FDA doesn't inspect much (that has always been the case though), and I read about the reasons why melamine may have been added by the Chinese supplier.

What I'm getting at, I guess, is that there seems to be less voluntary quality control by producers. I mean, how the hell does peanut butter get contaminated by E. coli outside of very poor internal QC at the production facility?

How much would it cost those pet food makers to run an actual content analysis on their imported gluten, before they paid to have it shipped?


If the pet food makers were concerned about anything other than reducing costs they wouldn't have imported gluten from the People's Republic of Crap in the first place.

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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 05/18/2007 :  04:44:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

I know the FDA doesn't inspect much (that has always been the case though), and I read about the reasons why melamine may have been added by the Chinese supplier.

What I'm getting at, I guess, is that there seems to be less voluntary quality control by producers. I mean, how the hell does peanut butter get contaminated by E. coli outside of very poor internal QC at the production facility?

How much would it cost those pet food makers to run an actual content analysis on their imported gluten, before they paid to have it shipped?


Good question. Someone's saving a few bucks on proper analysis, and ends up putting an entire business at jeopardy. You can bet that whoever was the asshole who ordered the melamine added was there to watch the cheapo way the buyer did his testing.




Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 05/18/2007 04:46:51
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