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McQ
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Posted - 11/27/2006 :  13:03:38  Show Profile Send McQ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just a heads up for some articles appearing in the current issue of Skeptic. I have only had time to skim them, but since this is a current (well, it used to be) topic here, I thought I'd share it.

The one big disappointment is the piece on page 43, "What Demolition Experts Say About 9/11". They devote a measly one page to the subject, and give only a summary of what Protec Documentation said about the CD Theory (they document the work of building demolition contractors).

The full report by Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations for Protec, can be found at:

http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf

A "Reply to Brent Blanchard" appears on this 9/11 conspiracy website:

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/blanchard/index.html

It reads like the same pap that "you know who" was spouting in here.

I just wish that Skeptic had made the effort to put more into the piece. It was quite a letdown.


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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/28/2006 :  06:56:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well like us they probably think that this is so obvious it doesnt need many pages... oh well. we all know Jack and Bobby Kennedy are responsible anyway..

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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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McQ
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Posted - 11/28/2006 :  14:49:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send McQ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

Well like us they probably think that this is so obvious it doesnt need many pages... oh well. we all know Jack and Bobby Kennedy are responsible anyway..



Bobby was in on it too??? Oh man, you just rocked me to my core!

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willis1999
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Posted - 02/14/2007 :  14:22:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send willis1999 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  17:31:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This article proves exactly nothing. It clearly wasnt a conventional demolition as the use of thermite proves.

"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  17:38:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What thermite?

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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  17:41:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

What thermite?



The thermite that Dr Steven Jones has found the exact signature of in a sample of wtc dust. He revealed the findings in a recent lecture and intends to have them peer reviewed in reputable journals.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  17:43:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

The thermite that Dr Steven Jones has found the exact signature of in a sample of wtc dust. He revealed the findings in a recent lecture and intends to have them peer reviewed in reputable journals.
Great. When he does, we can talk of this again. Until then, I've not found Jones to be a reliable source of information.

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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  17:44:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

The thermite that Dr Steven Jones has found the exact signature of in a sample of wtc dust. He revealed the findings in a recent lecture and intends to have them peer reviewed in reputable journals.
Great. When he does, we can talk of this again. Until then, I've not found Jones to be a reliable source of information.



Please present your problems with his work.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  17:50:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

Please present your problems with his work.
How can I when he hasn't published it yet?

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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  17:51:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

Please present your problems with his work.
How can I when he hasn't published it yet?



No you claimed you already had reasons to mistrust his work. Please present those reasons or retract your claim.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:00:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

No you claimed you already had reasons to mistrust his work. Please present those reasons or retract your claim.
I do have reason to not find him a reliable source of information. There's no reason for me to "retract" that "claim" even if those reasons are irrelevant to his new findings.

But just to appease you, the idea that WTC7 collapsed "symmetrically" is ludicrous, as is the idea that it collapsed faster than it would have without pre-planted explosives. Those are just two of many problems with Jones' statements.

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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:02:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

No you claimed you already had reasons to mistrust his work. Please present those reasons or retract your claim.
I do have reason to not find him a reliable source of information. There's no reason for me to "retract" that "claim" even if those reasons are irrelevant to his new findings.

But just to appease you, the idea that WTC7 collapsed "symmetrically" is ludicrous, as is the idea that it collapsed faster than it would have without pre-planted explosives. Those are just two of many problems with Jones' statements.



wtc7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds from a standing start. It also collapsed into its footprint. Jones is entirely correct on both points.

"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:05:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

wtc7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds from a standing start. It also collapsed into its footprint. Jones is entirely correct on both points.
Provide evidence that it required explosives for the building to collapse in 6.6 seconds (that's Jones' claim). Provide evidence that the building collapsing into its footprint means that its collapse was "symmetrical."

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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:16:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

wtc7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds from a standing start. It also collapsed into its footprint. Jones is entirely correct on both points.
Provide evidence that it required explosives for the building to collapse in 6.6 seconds (that's Jones' claim). Provide evidence that the building collapsing into its footprint means that its collapse was "symmetrical."



What exactly was unsymmetrical? Was the evidence of your eyes not enough?

Please find me a building in history that has collapsed that fast from a fire.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:21:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

What exactly was unsymmetrical? Was the evidence of your eyes not enough?

Please find me a building in history that has collapsed that fast from a fire.
Once again, you have failed to provide evidence to support your claims.

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