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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:24:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

What exactly was unsymmetrical? Was the evidence of your eyes not enough?

Please find me a building in history that has collapsed that fast from a fire.
Once again, you have failed to provide evidence to support your claims.



What exactly is the standard of evidence for a symmetrical collapse? We all saw it collapse symmetrically.

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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:31:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob
Please find me a building in history that has collapsed that fast from a fire.
Please find a building where a Boeing 767 hit a skyscraper at high speeds.
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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:32:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob
Please find me a building in history that has collapsed that fast from a fire.
Please find a building where a Boeing 767 hit a skyscraper at high speeds.



Please show me the boeing that hit building seven which is the specific building we are discussing.

"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:43:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

What exactly is the standard of evidence for a symmetrical collapse? We all saw it collapse symmetrically.
Explain where the axis of symmetry was, then we'll be able to say whether the collapse was symmetrical or not.

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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:50:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob
Please find me a building in history that has collapsed that fast from a fire.
Please find a building where a Boeing 767 hit a skyscraper at high speeds.



Please show me the boeing that hit building seven which is the specific building we are discussing.

Whoops-- my bad. Too many threads at once to keep track of!
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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  18:51:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

What exactly is the standard of evidence for a symmetrical collapse? We all saw it collapse symmetrically.
Explain where the axis of symmetry was, then we'll be able to say whether the collapse was symmetrical or not.



The axis of symmetry was down the centre of the north face of wtc7.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  19:05:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, since the video shows that the eastern part of WTC 7 starts collapsing before the western half (note that the dip in the roofline isn't centered, either), and because the wreckage is piled up more to the west than the east, then we can say that either you're mistaken about where the axis of symmetry was, or you're mistaken in your claim that the building collapsed symmetrically.

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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  19:10:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Dave W.

Well, since the video shows that the eastern part of WTC 7 starts collapsing before the western half (note that the dip in the roofline isn't centered, either), and because the wreckage is piled up more to the west than the east, then we can say that either you're mistaken about where the axis of symmetry was, or you're mistaken in your claim that the building collapsed symmetrically.



No I am not mistaken. The collapse was entirely symmetrical about that axis. The penthouse falling first is neither here nor there. You are denying what you see with your own eyes. Is that the actions of a rationalist?

"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  19:30:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

No I am not mistaken. The collapse was entirely symmetrical about that axis. The penthouse falling first is neither here nor there. You are denying what you see with your own eyes. Is that the actions of a rationalist?
I'm not denying what I see: you're blowing off the other evidence of a non-symmetrical collapse in favor of focusing on the penthouse. I gave you three reasons why the collapse wasn't symmetrical around the center of the north face of the building, and you're ignoring two of them, and claiming the third doesn't matter (when, of course, it's part of what I see with my own eyes).

Why don't you head on over to this thread and help your buddy explain why this is evidence of a controlled demolition at all. Oh, I see you're already trying.

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j911ob
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  19:34:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send j911ob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

No I am not mistaken. The collapse was entirely symmetrical about that axis. The penthouse falling first is neither here nor there. You are denying what you see with your own eyes. Is that the actions of a rationalist?
I'm not denying what I see: you're blowing off the other evidence of a non-symmetrical collapse in favor of focusing on the penthouse. I gave you three reasons why the collapse wasn't symmetrical around the center of the north face of the building, and you're ignoring two of them, and claiming the third doesn't matter (when, of course, it's part of what I see with my own eyes).

Why don't you head on over to this thread and help your buddy explain why this is evidence of a controlled demolition at all. Oh, I see you're already trying.



Do you have a problem with us joining your forum? We don't intend to break any rules.

The collapse was entirely symmetrical. You can continue to deny it and if you wish you can also tell me black is white.

"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers.
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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 05/07/2007 :  19:43:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob

Do you have a problem with us joining your forum? We don't intend to break any rules.
Why would you think I have a problem with you joining?
quote:
The collapse was entirely symmetrical. You can continue to deny it and if you wish you can also tell me black is white.
And you can continue to ignore the evidence of a non-symmetrical collapse for all I care. I laid it out for you, and you have no response to it other than simple denial. I left such games on the playground nearly 30 years ago.

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