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McQ
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Posted - 02/25/2007 :  13:42:32  Show Profile Send McQ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here we go again....

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/02/25/tomb_arc.html?category=archaeology&guid=20070225073000&&clik=news_tkr

At least the "evidence" will be shown to everyone first via the Discovery Channel on TV. That sure beats peer review any day.

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/tomb.html?dcitc=w99-502-ah-1024


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Neurosis
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Posted - 02/25/2007 :  15:22:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Neurosis an AOL message Send Neurosis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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New scientific evidence, including DNA analysis conducted at one of the world's foremost molecular genetics laboratories, as well as studies by leading scholars, suggests a 2,000-year-old Jerusalem tomb could have once held the remains of Jesus of Nazareth and his family.


Jesus was an only child according to the catholics and his blood line certainly isn't known to anyone but the Priory of Scion (total joke there no letters please). How can they do a DNA test to determine the relation to a fictional character?

Edited to add:

I think that the most interesting thing about this story is that it shows how common the name Josuah would have been, as opposed to Emmanuel.

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Edited by - Neurosis on 02/25/2007 15:30:11
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pleco
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Posted - 02/25/2007 :  15:29:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Easy! Just look for the GOD gene.

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Hawks
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Posted - 02/25/2007 :  16:29:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would like to have the DNA of "the virgin Mary", "Jesus" and "Joseph" sequenced. We would expect Mary and Jesus to have half of their alleles in common. But what would we expect the rest of Jesus' alleles to look like. Certainly not like Joseph's. Maybe we will find a whole haploid set of God genes. Some of them might just look like this.

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Posted - 02/25/2007 :  17:06:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by pleco

Easy! Just look for the GOD gene.
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/25/2007 :  17:27:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hawks

I would like to have the DNA of "the virgin Mary", "Jesus" and "Joseph" sequenced. We would expect Mary and Jesus to have half of their alleles in common. But what would we expect the rest of Jesus' alleles to look like. Certainly not like Joseph's. Maybe we will find a whole haploid set of God genes. Some of them might just look like this.


Or, if God doesn't have genes, maybe he was actually a clone of Mary. Parthogenesis, y'know.

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Neurosis
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Posted - 02/25/2007 :  18:52:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Neurosis an AOL message Send Neurosis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Siberia

quote:
Originally posted by Hawks

I would like to have the DNA of "the virgin Mary", "Jesus" and "Joseph" sequenced. We would expect Mary and Jesus to have half of their alleles in common. But what would we expect the rest of Jesus' alleles to look like. Certainly not like Joseph's. Maybe we will find a whole haploid set of God genes. Some of them might just look like this.


Or, if God doesn't have genes, maybe he was actually a clone of Mary. Parthogenesis, y'know.


Then god performed a divine sex change and viola, a man that will turn the other cheek.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/25/2007 :  19:56:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, if they have actually dug up Jesus' bones, that's it for Christianity.


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Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/25/2007 19:57:22
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  03:07:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm not buying it. It doesn't look like the Jesus tomb I learned about in my Sunday School classes. There's supposed to be a big round stone out front.
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  03:10:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Well, if they have actually dug up Jesus' bones, that's it for Christianity.



11/10/2006 - I think that should count for one of your 06 predictions. I'm impressed.




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GK Paul
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  03:58:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm baaaaackkk!!! But just for a short time. The professor who oversaw the work on the tomb said the claim is nonsense.

http://drjimwest.wordpress.com/2007/02/24/the-tomb-what-the-archaeologist-in-charge-said/


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Edited by - GK Paul on 02/26/2007 04:07:36
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filthy
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  04:45:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welcome back, GK....

Let's face it, friends; the Discovery Channel is strictly entertainment and, while it has more credibility than, say, the Discovery Institute, a scientific journal it ain't; not by a long chalk.

I have no doubt that all sorts of claims will be made about the the remaims found in the cave, and many of those bones will be trumpeted as the remains of some important chartecter or other, and therefore the Bible is proven to be the literal truth. It's kinda funny, when you think about it.

It's funny because it is just as likely that the contents of those ossuaries could be anyone from the town drunk to, yes, Jesus hisownbadself.

It's funny because, really, I don't see any way to prove any relationship with anyone beyond finding living people distantly related to the long-time departed. DNA testing is great, but it is not the be all/end all that some seem to think.

It's funny because, apparently, no one has thought to look for scarring on the wrist and forearm bones of any of the remains; or if they have, they're keeping the observations to themselves. Scarring would be present due to the weight of the body pulling on the wrist nails for even a short period.

It's hilarius because even if such scarring should be present, well, crucifixion was a very common form of execution of criminals, back in that day, and dem bones could have belonged to most any, cheap thug.

Ain't it fun to see Discovery dabbling in comedy...?




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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  05:21:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I dont suppose there was an incription in the tomb which read: Here lies Jesus called Christ, he lived an unremarkable life and was stabbed in the back by a prostitute he tried to cheat.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  12:04:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Unless the inscription on the "Jesus" tomb concludes with, "Yes, THAT Jesus," this stuff proves nothing. Still you gotta admit, Discovery's got itself a hot property, and people will be arguing over those ossuaries for years!

All in all, this really seems to be as irrelevant as the "evidence" some Christians present for Jesus' existence. It looks to be simply a clever spin on some random old ossuraries.




Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/26/2007 12:13:50
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  12:08:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Well, if they have actually dug up Jesus' bones, that's it for Christianity.



11/10/2006 - I think that should count for one of your 06 predictions. I'm impressed.






Thanks, B! You'll also notice I also mentioned mtDNA evidence, while blithely skipping over the problem of finding living relatives.


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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  12:25:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, and GK might note: We're skeptical here about "evidence" that would destroy Christianity, too. All evidence should be real.


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