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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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 Posted - 03/16/2007 : 17:14:44
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The first sacrificial scapegoat in the growing Bush scandal about the firings of eight US Attorneys was Kyle Sampson, Alberto Gonzales' Chief of Staff. He's supposedly the person who coordinated the firings, himself now fired. The Subject line of this post comes from Sampson: quote:
In one e-mail, Sampson wrote that the "vast majority of U.S. Attorneys, 80-85 percent, I would guess, are doing a great job, are loyal Bushies, etc."
Now, an attempt to pin the whole idea for the firings on Harriet Meiers has failed in the light of emails showing Gonzales and Rove discussed the issue even before the former became Attorney General. And suddenly recollections that had put the idea on Meiers have become vague, according to White House spokesman, Tony Snow: quote:
"At this juncture, people have hazy memories," he said. "The thing we can say with assurance is Karl [Rove] recalling she raised it."
With allegations that some of the firings were intended to disrupt investigations of Bush friends, and that others were in retaliation for not prosecuting Democratic political enemies upon demand, this whole US Attorney issue seems to be growing in intensity, with the worst kind of corrupt stink. Gonzales' days as AG are drawing to an end (he'll be the next sacrifice), but clearly the push for the firings came from the top.
The White House is delaying an answer about whether it will allow Rove and Meiers to testify before a House committee, or to hand over papers about the case. So committee members are planning to replace the invitations with subpoenas.
At least we now have a good term for these bastards, from one of their own: "Bushies."
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2007 : 17:44:27 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner...
The White House is delaying an answer about whether it will allow Rove and Meiers to testify before a House committee, or to hand over papers about the case. So committee members are planning to replace the invitations with subpoenas.
Can you say, "executive privilege?" 
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2007 : 01:34:59 [Permalink]
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Can you say, good grief, another scandal! 
Gonzales lied too fast and got caught making up BS to cover things up. That means he knew there was something that needed covering up. It was his underling..."But sir, we have evidence it was you"..."uh..er..it was legal, they serve at the pleasure of the President..uh...Clinton did it."
And Bush, same crap "Well it wasn't wrong it was just communicated poorly".
This was on the news all day and in between I was watching the Plame oversight hearing.
It's unbelievable.
Election fraud
Asleep at the wheel before 911
On vacation on 911
Lying us into a war
Horrible execution of the war
Saturating the government with faith based payouts
Appointing Meiers to the Supreme Court
Katrina
Cronies
Corruption
Torture
So long Habeas Corpus
Walter Reed
Wilson/Plame
Illegal wiretaps
It's truly incomprehensible.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2007 : 02:24:54 [Permalink]
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Finally real news is breaking through the corporate walls? The end is nigh!
Any other President would be impeached for much, much less (as Clinton was). Thanks for the summary, Be. I needed that, as it's truly hard to remember all that crap.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 03/17/2007 : 04:17:58 [Permalink]
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Bush effectively slit his own throat the day he decided to drop bin Laden and go off on his pointless Iraq adventure. It's just taken him a few years to bleed out. This 'prosecutor purge' is another arterial gush of mendacity and incompetence, fortelling his ultimate end.
If he is not impeached and removed from office, could he still be prosecuted for anything? Could he be called to account for the unwarranted invasion of a sovereign nation? Or mollycoddling corporate thugs? Or violating the Constitution by undermining church/state independence?
I dunno. I'd surely like to see it...
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2007 : 05:00:52 [Permalink]
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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
USA
529 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2007 : 10:28:24 [Permalink]
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YO: After looking over this thread, here's my two cents worth.
To Beskeptigal: Always doing her homework and in the pocket.
To GeeMack: Uh, Gee, Mack, can YOU say executive stupid?
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Carmichael
New Member
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Posted - 03/19/2007 : 15:47:40 [Permalink]
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| I will be surprised if Bush gets impeached. The Third Way is the corporate group bent on keeping the democrats supplying them with more money and power. I can't see it happen, but I'd like to. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2007 : 05:26:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Carmichael
I will be surprised if Bush gets impeached. The Third Way is the corporate group bent on keeping the democrats supplying them with more money and power. I can't see it happen, but I'd like to.
I do think it's quite possible. These things often look unlikely just up to the point that they happen. What tends to happen is that outrages and dissatisfaction build slowly until a tipping point is reached, then the dynamic changes radically. I think of it as a sort of political punctuated equilibrium. (I'd suggested well in advance to scoffers here that such a thing would happen in the recent congressional elections, some will recall.) The balloon inflates slowly, but bursts suddenly. The proof will be in the pudding.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2007 : 05:35:36 [Permalink]
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While I agree whole-heartedly with the reasons why Bush should be impeached, and it would bring a great deal of emotional satisfaction, I can't eagerly promote it. I wouldn't oppose it, but I won't promote it because impeaching him will not turn back the clock and undo all the shit he's majorly fucked up. I want the Dems to grow some balls, but I also want them to grow a few brain cells - the kind that are most useful in forming effective political strategy - and then use their growing power to neutralize the rest of the Bush presidency, start to tackle and pump up support for much more important and impending problems than terrorism. Let's start throwing our money and political emphasis on things such as health care, good jobs, and education.
The other problem with impeachment is that is always comes with at least some backlash. I would be pretty damn bummed if the only major thing the Dems do with this bit of power they finally have back is impeach Bush. |
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2007 : 08:18:45 [Permalink]
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Hmm.. You are aware the Clinton administraton fired 93 prosecutors and that did
not cause any ripple in the water. Not that it matters anymore. BTW (I voted for
Clinton)
The Democrats are smart. They won't do anything to impeach Bush or try to remove him.
The political back lash would be intense. If they are smart, they'll attack the policies
with a death by a thousand cuts approach.
Be honest with yourselves, do you guys really really want, President Dick Cheney and Vice Pres Karl Rove?
If you believe that the "idiot" could wreak that much havoc in 6 years, just think what
those guys could do in 2 years.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 03/20/2007 : 11:49:19 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by marfknox
While I agree whole-heartedly with the reasons why Bush should be impeached, and it would bring a great deal of emotional satisfaction, I can't eagerly promote it.
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I want the Dems to grow some balls, but I also want them to grow a few brain cells - the kind that are most useful in forming effective political strategy - and then use their growing power to neutralize the rest of the Bush presidency, start to tackle and pump up support for much more important and impending problems than terrorism.
I see no reason why these two points should be mutually exclusive.
Bush should face justice as the criminal he is.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2007 : 12:40:05 [Permalink]
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If they prosecute Bush, then they'll have to prosecute a lot of other people who helped him with his crimes, they'll have to prosecute all other living presidents, and those who supported them, as they've all done what he did, he was just more arrogant about it. If they themselves were elected president, then they'd have to watch how they behave.
It's just not worth it to them. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2007 : 12:42:27 [Permalink]
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quote:
If he is not impeached and removed from office, could he still be prosecuted for anything? Could he be called to account for the unwarranted invasion of a sovereign nation? Or mollycoddling corporate thugs? Or violating the Constitution by undermining church/state independence?
I dunno. I'd surely like to see it...
I remember reading that it's one of those things that is theoretically possible, but since it's never been done, it isn't likely that it would ever happen. I'll try looking for that again. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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Robert Hunter
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2007 : 12:54:54 [Permalink]
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quote:
Mab
Bush should face justice as the criminal he is.
Impeachment is an arduous process that requires lots of time and resources. The time would be better served at this point, with only 22 months left of the Bush presidency, to make him as lame a duck as possible without looking (overly) vindictive.
I would love to see the bastard impeached. But I think it would not serve us right now to put the energy there.
Criminal investigations and criminal charges can be brought up after his presidency. Though I doubt that will happen. But I would be for it… It's not likely that he will have a Gerald Ford to pardon him. Well, on second thought, I dunno…
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2007 : 13:29:49 [Permalink]
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Impeachment would also require a desire to serve the people, rather than the 1 percent that Congress works for.
They could stand to let 2/3 of the people who are in prison out, and focus their resources on the people who do the most damage, like Clinton and Bush. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
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Robert Hunter
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"Loyal Bushies, etc."
