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HalfMooner
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Posted - 03/23/2007 : 12:10:44 [Permalink]
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This is hilarious! The way the "Master's" students played along with this guy's self delusions was rich. But the guy's not entirely a deliberate flim-flammer, as he seems to have come to believe in his own magical powers. This is evidenced by the fact he'd actually allow himself to be taken on by an outside challenger -- and by that wonderful scene where he's rubbing his punched nose in shock.
If Sylvia Browne were a self-deluder like this sensei, she'd have already taken -- and failed -- the Randi Challenge.
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Randy
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 Posted - 03/23/2007 : 17:02:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
This is hilarious! The way the "Master's" students played along with this guy's self delusions was rich. But the guy's not entirely a deliberate flim-flammer, as he seems to have come to believe in his own magical powers. This is evidenced by the fact he'd actually allow himself to be taken on by an outside challenger -- and by that wonderful scene where he's rubbing his punched nose in shock.
If Sylvia Browne were a self-deluder like this sensei, she'd have already taken -- and failed -- the Randy Challenge.
You could rightfully say this guy met his equivalent of the Randi Challenge. |
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Vegeta
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Posted - 03/23/2007 : 17:37:32 [Permalink]
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weird...I dunno what to think really...
Martial arts is very much a religious thing though. I don't mean because it has a 'spiritual side' or anything. but because no matter what, its very hard to convince people one art is superior to theirs, no matter what evidence you present. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 03/23/2007 : 17:53:17 [Permalink]
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It had to be extremely gratifying to be the one to punch the delusion straight out of that guy. If only all delusions were so easily falsified.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/23/2007 : 18:04:27 [Permalink]
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Unfortunately, H. - and I'm sure you know this as well as I - it's highly probable that as soon as the "Master's" wounds healed, he was probably right back to doing the same old stuff, making the same old claims, with just one more fanciful rationalization about why he lost that fight.
From all the cheering after he was brutally smacked down, I'll bet "there was too much negativity in the room" was a major part of a laundry-list of excuses.
(You can stick all those verbs in the future tense if that fight happened recently. The video was uploaded to YouTube in January of this year, but that doesn't mean much.) |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 03/23/2007 : 18:18:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Unfortunately, H. - and I'm sure you know this as well as I - it's highly probable that as soon as the "Master's" wounds healed, he was probably right back to doing the same old stuff, making the same old claims, with just one more fanciful rationalization about why he lost that fight.
Probably all too true. Bet he loses at least some of his followers, however.
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From all the cheering after he was brutally smacked down, I'll bet "there was too much negativity in the room" was a major part of a laundry-list of excuses.
What good is a magical self-defense mechanism that doesn't work in the face of negativity? I mean, it's supposed to be used on enemies, people who by definition won't be thinking nice thoughts about you. Unlike most other woo-woo claims, this one is definitely easily disproven, and the consequences of failure immediately apparent.
So when's the rematch?
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 03/24/2007 : 05:44:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Vegeta
weird...I dunno what to think really...
Martial arts is very much a religious thing though. I don't mean because it has a 'spiritual side' or anything. but because no matter what, its very hard to convince people one art is superior to theirs, no matter what evidence you present.
It's not evidence that your opponent's art is more superior. It just means that your opponent is more proficient in his art than you are in yours.
Different arts have their own advantages in different situations. It's just as much knowing your own art, as knowing your opponets art and weaknesses, and how to manouver your opponent into the kind of situation where you will have superior skill.
Sun Tzu, and all that, you know... |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 09:25:55 [Permalink]
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Turns out that my prediction was wrong. Ryuken (the "Kiai Master" who got the snot beat out of him), according to Gary Moro, admitted he was defeated, but blamed a heart problem for it. Moro also said,At least he didn't mention anything about the old "tongue and toe defense." which puzzled me until I saw this video of George Dillman, who helpfully explains that the no-touch knockdowns can be defeated via the position of one's tongue or big toes.
Moro also says that Ryuken, apparently a tenth-degree black belt in five martial arts, has retired and won't accept any more challenges.
Thanks go to Robert Carroll for both links. |
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Vegeta
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 17:42:48 [Permalink]
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It's not evidence that your opponent's art is more superior. It just means that your opponent is more proficient in his art than you are in yours.
Different arts have their own advantages in different situations. It's just as much knowing your own art, as knowing your opponets art and weaknesses, and how to manouver your opponent into the kind of situation where you will have superior skill.
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I've heard that before. The fact remains that one style must be better in the widest or most likely variety of situations and therefore be superior as a method of self defense. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 18:21:47 [Permalink]
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The power of suggestion only works on those trained to the suggestion.
Placebo effect is not just in relation to medicine.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 18:46:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The power of suggestion only works on those trained to the suggestion.
Placebo effect is not just in relation to medicine. |
Must... listen... to Jerome...da Gnome... poor... education makes me... too susceptible... to... suggestion.... |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 18:59:56 [Permalink]
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Cuneiformist, come into the light.
The force is strong with this one.
On a serious note weak minds are very suggestible, also minds that were never trained to think rationally. Strong emotions are used often to achieve a desired result from people; from politics to T.V. ads.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JohnOAS
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 00:36:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Cuneiformist, come into the light.
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Would that be the day-light or the night-light?
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME (in chat 31/05/2007)
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Back on topic though, didn't we discuss these martial arts loons in another thread?
I particularly enjoyed Master Dill(mans)'s revelation that all his years of training can be nullified by moving your tongue and/or wiggling alternate toes. Awesome.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 06:39:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JohnOAS
Back on topic though, didn't we discuss these martial arts loons in another thread? |
Discuss? Not really.| I particularly enjoyed Master Dill(mans)'s revelation that all his years of training can be nullified by moving your tongue and/or wiggling alternate toes. Awesome. |
Yeah, doesn't that excuse kick ass? Wait... I guess it literally doesn't kick ass. |
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