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j911ob
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 Posted - 05/15/2007 : 15:21:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by j911ob
The dust does contain the exact signature of thermite. He presented the graphs at his recent lecture. That is what e will be submitting to science publications. It is irrefutable proof that thermite was used. |
Then why is he publishing his promise to go find this evidence now, if he's already got the evidence?What do I lose? Was there a competition here that I was unaware of? The one you've invented inside your own head doesn't count.
You also wrote:| How many hypotheses did NIST consider? Why did they ignore the iron spherules? |
Jones' theory has to stand independently of NIST's. Your questions are just attempt to distract away from Jones' pathetic sciencey-sounding report. You've already demonstrated that you can't defend his paper, so now you resort to attempts at similar "debunking" (your word) of other sciencey-sounding stuff.
But the fact remains: you presented us with Jones' paper and said, "read it and weep." You must have considered it to be rock-solid, but high-school students could find the problems. So, ignore them instead, wave your hands at something else, and then give us another promise that the "proof" is just around the corner.
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Im still waiting for your debunking of his paper.
You dismiss Greenings criticisms of NIST, yet I am supposed to accept your lsymens criticisms of Jones paper? mmmmmKay.
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"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 05/15/2007 : 16:09:52 [Permalink]
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j911ob:
yet I am supposed to accept your lsymens criticisms of Jones paper? mmmmmKay. |
No, you're supposed to defend your layman's acceptance of Jones's paper…
According to my watch, it's just about time for you to declare victory again.
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/15/2007 : 16:17:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
j911ob:
yet I am supposed to accept your lsymens criticisms of Jones paper? mmmmmKay. |
No, you're supposed to defend your layman's acceptance of Jones's paper…
According to my watch, it's just about time for you to declare victory again.
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But im not a layman. And the paper speaks for itself.
Still waiting for that debunking. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/15/2007 : 18:08:16 [Permalink]
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Your dignity. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Hondo
New Member
USA
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Posted - 05/15/2007 : 18:19:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Originally posted by Kil
j911ob:
yet I am supposed to accept your lsymens criticisms of Jones paper? mmmmmKay. |
No, you're supposed to defend your layman's acceptance of Jones's paper…
According to my watch, it's just about time for you to declare victory again.
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But im not a layman. And the paper speaks for itself.
Still waiting for that debunking.
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I'm still waiting for you to rise above the rest of your peers and actually make a cogent case for this CT. Mere links and shifting the burden of proof are not sufficient, you should know that by now. If you are sincere in your convictions and genuinely have a desire to enlighten me/us (why else would you post about that here?) then you'll need to break the mold and quit trying to play "stump the board." Tell me, in your own words, why you believe in this? Is it nits about building collapses? Do you find the concept of international terrorism absurd? Something else? What about it "works" for you? Tie the whole thing in a nice little bow, starting with why the PTB had to do it, exactly how they did it, and how the current state of the world reflects what they did.
Remember, no links this time, I'm asking you. Up for that? |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 05/15/2007 : 18:59:22 [Permalink]
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j911ob:
But im not a layman. |
Please explain.
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2007 : 19:14:38 [Permalink]
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If you are sincere in your convictions and genuinely have a desire to enlighten me/us (why else would you post about that here?) then you'll need to break the mold and quit trying to play "stump the board."
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You really think Im here to enlighten the true believers here? You are wrong. Im here to make sure the lurkers and fence sitters see the real information, instead of just the denials. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2007 : 19:16:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
j911ob:
But im not a layman. |
Please explain.
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What part of my post did you not understand? |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 05/15/2007 : 19:36:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Im still waiting for your debunking of his paper. |
There's nothing in it to debunk. No substance. He's got over five pages of shameless self-promotion, six pages in which he fails to consider momentum calculations for the collapse of WTC 7 even though he says such calculations are important, five pages of relying on ancient and already-debunked numbers for the Towers' collapses, six pages saying that thermite burning bears a superficial similarity to a single event witnessed at the wrong corner of one tower, and the last five pages promising to find spectroscopic evidence in dust. Jones presents no new research, repeats old falsehoods, and generally goes absolutely nowhere in that paper. There's nothing to debunk.You dismiss Greenings criticisms of NIST, yet I am supposed to accept your lsymens criticisms of Jones paper? mmmmmKay.
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I didn't dismiss Greenings' criticisms of NIST. Half of what you quoted was criticisms of JREFers. His bio isn't a criticism of NIST, either. The one thing you quoted which was a sort of criticism ("NIST has no PROOF that fire insulation was stripped...") wasn't so much a criticism as a flat denial of what the NIST report actually says.
You also wrote:What are you, then? What's your field of expertise and how does it relate to Dr. Jones' paper? Or are you Dr. Jones himself?| And the paper speaks for itself. |
It talks a lot, but it sure doesn't say anything useful or new.
You also wrote:How could I possibly lose my dignity if Dr. Jones is right?
You also wrote:| Im here to make sure the lurkers and fence sitters see the real information, instead of just the denials. |
What denials? What real information? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/15/2007 : 19:53:21 [Permalink]
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| six pages saying that thermite burning bears a superficial similarity to a single event witnessed at the wrong corner of one tower |
What do you mean the wrong corner? |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 05/15/2007 : 20:01:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Originally posted by Kil
j911ob:
But im not a layman. |
Please explain.
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What part of my post did you not understand?
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So, would layperson be a more satisfactory description of you with regard to the conspiracy and the related science's that we are discussing? |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Hondo
New Member
USA
25 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2007 : 20:18:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
If you are sincere in your convictions and genuinely have a desire to enlighten me/us (why else would you post about that here?) then you'll need to break the mold and quit trying to play "stump the board."
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You really think Im here to enlighten the true believers here? You are wrong. |
What was the very first word I posted in your little snippet j911ob? It was If. It seems that in your haste to get back at a "debunker" you omitted that in your reply. This knee-jerk response reflects negatively on any credibility that you claim you want to garner with the lurkers here as it implies that you can't read properly. Since you brought it up, what I actually think is that you're a rather lame paranoid woo with obsessive/compulsive tendencies. It's quite obvious that you have a bug up your butt regarding people and boards that promote critical thinking. We bother you just because we exist. We're anathema to the garbage to try to sell and you are obsessed with trying to tweak our little noses at every opportunty because of it. If you got banned you'd try to come back as a sock-puppet. Despite that, I gave you a chance to qualify yourself and your beliefs and you try to throw it back in my face. Wonder what a fence-sitter is to think?Im here to make sure the lurkers and fence sitters see the real information, instead of just the denials.
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You mean like posting links to tales of mural trucks with the 9/11 WTC attacks painted on it's side?  Heh, I'll bet even some of your peers had a chuckle with that one.
Maybe it's time to have someone else from your woo realm give it a go as you're not exactly helping their cause over here. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2007 : 20:31:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by j911ob
Originally posted by Kil
j911ob:
But im not a layman. |
Please explain.
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What part of my post did you not understand?
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So, would layperson be a more satisfactory description of you with regard to the conspiracy and the related science's that we are discussing?
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No. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2007 : 20:44:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
What do you mean the wrong corner? |
That's it? That's your whole response to my entire post? To ask me a question to which you should already know the answer if you've been paying attention?
I'll ask again: what sort of not-a-layperson are you? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2007 : 21:16:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by j911ob
What do you mean the wrong corner? |
That's it? That's your whole response to my entire post? To ask me a question to which you should already know the answer if you've been paying attention?
I'll ask again: what sort of not-a-layperson are you?
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Answer my question. How was it the wrong corner? |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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