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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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 Posted - 05/17/2007 : 18:54:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
filthy---Thanks for the link, I will make good use of it.
Cuneiformist---"I assume you'd then claim that it's proof of UFO's?"
I did not say this is true; I stated his claim.
I thought it would add to the topic.
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And that it did.
As for fixing links on SFN, don't forget our own forum codes. To make a website turn into something less cumbersome, you can use [url] and [/url] to help format things. For instance, typing:
[url="web address"]SFN[/url], where the web address is in the form "http://...", you'll get this:
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Just use the brackets, some quote marks, and so on, and you are on your way! |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 19:19:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
j911ob--- Your statement would hold more water if you had the name of " LBJs henchmen".
Without this name or a link this is nothing.
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Click on the link cune gave.
Go on a torrent site and get hold of The Men who Killed Kennedy. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
BANNED
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 19:28:42 [Permalink]
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j911ob---The point I am making is if one states, "somebody did something at some time with proof from some guy.", this holds no authority.
A statement such as "Bob stole a bike from Sears, and Tom saw him do it." allows research of the facts.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JohnOAS
SFN Regular
Australia
800 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 19:41:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Edited to remove oversized link.
Look, when you have a long link, use this site to shrink it down. ... |
If I remember correctly, Filthy you're using Firefox. If you want to take the convenience a step further, there is an option to put a TinyURL icon on your toolbar allowing you to create a tinyurl of the page you're currently at with a single click.
As you well know, it's not particularly difficult to do manually, but I thought it worth mentioning.
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John's just this guy, you know. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 20:22:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Click on the link cune gave. |
I did, and the presentation there is anything but "case closed." Instead, it's presented as identifiers-vs.-identifiers and an argument from authority on behalf of the "case closed" side of things. |
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Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 20:38:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Filthy---Sorry
link
edited to fix link --Cune
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Tell me why a supposed death bed confession from a confused, incontinent, etc., man taken by the only witness, a broke drug addict (whether you buy the claim he was clean or not the guy spent 20 years hustling for meth) is more likely to be credible than the more logical explanation the meth addict (or ex-meth addict) made it up for a quick buck?
From the beginning:The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt....After a while, he had St. John wheel him into his bedroom and hoist him onto his bed. It smelled foul in there; he was incontinent; a few bottles of urine under the bed needed to be emptied; but he was beyond caring. He asked St. John to get him a diet root beer, a pad of paper and a pen.
Saint had come to Miami from Eureka, California, borrowing money to fly because he was broke. Though clean now, he had been a meth addict for twenty years, a meth dealer for ten of those years and a source of frustration and anger to his father for much of his life..... |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 20:45:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by j911ob
The fact is that a single fingerprint was found in the snipers nest in the book depository. This print was never matched to anyone. Then one of the leading fingerprint experts in a BLIND test matched it to one of LBJs henchmen who had already been convicted of a murder that LBJ had been implicated in. Case closed. |
Again, my admittedly brief internet searching has found the above to be a rather overly-rosy summary of the situation. First off, the print in question is poorly preserved at best. Moreover, your assertion that it could be unequivocally matched to a person is dubious. Moreover, if it could be linked to an actual person, that person's connections to LBJ are circumspect.
I admit-- my investigation has been entirely based on web-surfing, and so lacks any real merit. However, it's clear that your "case closed" is really nothing more than "wishful thinking." Were it more compelling, actual authorities would no doubt be on the case; instead, it's the fodder for conspiracy websites.
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And the new evidence only found:| "This finding means that the bullet fragments from the assassination that match could have come from three or more separate bullets," |
Could have as in not did. Why get excited over this unless and until 'could' is more likely to be 'did'?
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 20:51:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
j911ob---The point I am making is if one states, "somebody did something at some time with proof from some guy.", this holds no authority.
A statement such as "Bob stole a bike from Sears, and Tom saw him do it." allows research of the facts.
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Erm I was summarising the evidence contained in a link that had already been posted. I dont need to hold weight, the documentary is there to be watched. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 20:53:38 [Permalink]
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Tell me why a supposed death bed confession from a confused, incontinent, etc., man taken by the only witness, a broke drug addict (whether you buy the claim he was clean or not the guy spent 20 years hustling for meth) is more likely to be credible than the more logical explanation the meth addict (or ex-meth addict) made it up for a quick buck?
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Where is your proof he was confused?
What does his bladder function have to do with it?
How is his sons drug use relevant? |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 21:02:29 [Permalink]
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I asked you which explanation was more likely. You didn't answer.
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 21:05:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I asked you which explanation was more likely. You didn't answer.
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Actually you didnt ask me but ill answer: His story is far more likely to be true. Hunt had nothing to lose.
Now answer my questions please. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 21:09:13 [Permalink]
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I've had more than enough experience with both drug addicts and end of life conditions to have made the other two observations. I don't think there is need to prove someone with a 20 year drug history is likely to have been a hustler. Questioning that assumption is ridiculous.
Most people who are near death from massive body failure with old age are not sharp witted. When your whole body is failig as described, chances are not great the brain is completely spared. But really it's the drug scammer that lends weight to the more likely explanation. The failing body adds to the likelihood he saw a good chance of pulling it off.
I only asked which was the more likely explanation. I never said I had proof of either.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 21:10:29 [Permalink]
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"Hunt had nothing to lose", and Saint had a lot to gain. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Again, which is more likely?
I asked the collective "you".
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
223 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 21:17:14 [Permalink]
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So in your world:
old equals confused
incontinent equals confession cant be trusted
former drug addict equals dishonest
mmmmmKay!
So you just stated as fact that he was confused with no evidence whatsoever.
I have seen many people die from old age. Strangely enough, not one of them made a tape saying they were involved in a murder.
Hunt was suspected of involvement for many years. You have no reason to dismiss his confession. Please try again. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 22:08:24 [Permalink]
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You have no reason to conclude that the claiims of a spy-novel writing lifelong fantasist like Hunt are correct, either.
If this "confession" can be corroborated by independent evidence then it would be worth more consideration. Unless and until that happens, claims of "case closed" are much more reflective of a personal commitment to the paranoid conspiracist mode of thought than they are reflective of the evidence.
Regarding the bullet tests, it seems to me that this new analysis means that neither the hypothesis that the bullet fragments were from no more than two bullets nor the hypothesis that they were from three or more has been falsified. That leaves us in exactly the same place we would be had no NAA analysis been undertaken at all, that is, stuck with considering the same old entire body of evidence. |
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You conspiricy guys should be all over this.
