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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 05/20/2007 : 01:22:23
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As we won't have Jerry to kick around any more, I'd like to post a couple more links on him as a sort of a parting shot.
First, here's some of AiGs rather maudlin comments. They should further undermine Ham's credibility amongst all thinking people. | For those of us who knew him personally, he really was not the controversial, divisive figure often portrayed by the national media. He was our chancellor, our pastor at Thomas Road Baptist Church (next door to the university), our mentor, and our friend. The people who vilified him were primarily against him because of his unswerving commitment to Christ and his firm belief in the Bible as the infallible, inerrant Word of God beginning with the very first verse. He was not perfect—none of us are—but he obviously loved God, loved his family, and loved people—and this was evident to all (even for those who knew him but disagreed with him in many areas). |
"Lay down with dogs and you get up with fleas." Don't remember who said that.
And here are words from the festering gob of Falwell himself: You can eulogize. You can mourn and ponder and do a lengthy retrospective, a political analysis, a sociocultural examination of a career and a legacy and a rather remarkable life. When remembering the dead, the journalistic options are legion.
But in the case of the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, the grandfather of the fundamentalist religious right and the foremost champion of the creation of a brutally homophobic, mysogynistic Christian theocracy in America, perhaps it's better to let the man's most insidiously famous quotes speak for themselves, and let time and karma be the judge of whether Falwell left the world a better place than when he found it. (All citations are available at wikiquote.org and elsewhere.)
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Quotes: "The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews."
"I am saying pornography hurts anyone who reads it -- garbage in, garbage out."
"I am such a strong admirer and supporter of George W. Bush that if he suggested eliminating the income tax or doubling it, I would vote yes on first blush."
"I believe that global warming is a myth. And so, therefore, I have no conscience problems at all and I'm going to buy a Suburban next time."
"It is God's planet -- and he's taking care of it. And I don't believe that anything we do will raise or lower the temperature one point."
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And a personal favorite: | "Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions." |
So long, Jerry. You pissed me off and gave me a lot of laughs. I'd beat on you some more, as I have done for many years, but you're fucking dead! And you're gonna stay that way; your body slowly decomposing much in the way that your soul rotted during your life.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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Edited by - filthy on 05/20/2007 01:25:11
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
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 Posted - 05/20/2007 : 14:10:28 [Permalink]
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YO: Well said, oh unclean one. Jerry Falwell was the significant protuberance of a rather long line of right wing, fundamentalist preachers who, in their Elmer Gantry dementia, realized making a buck using guilt and fear is not difficult. My first clue was when I, as a kid, heard radio ads on XERF in Del Rio, Texas selling autographed pictures of Jesus Christ.
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"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
--John Kenneth Galbraith
If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
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The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.
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"The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights."
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"The great thing about Art isn't what it give us, but what we become through it."
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"We have Art in order not to die of life."
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"I cling like a miser to the freedom I lose when surrounded by an abundance of things."
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"Experience is the name so many people give to their mistakes."
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/20/2007 : 16:19:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Orwellingly Yurz
YO: ...My first clue was when I, as a kid, heard radio ads on XERF in Del Rio, Texas selling autographed pictures of Jesus Christ...OY!
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XERF - I remember them booming up from Mexico with echo chamber announcements when I lived in Arizona. They were goofy and harmless (in those days). O.Y. isn't kidding: I recall one of their commercial offers: "Slivers of wood off the original cross. Ah men!" 
On the other hand, there was another powerful unregulated Mexican station back then that gave us Wolfman Jack!  |
Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.) |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/02/2007 : 10:40:58 [Permalink]
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They say that it ain't over 'till it's over. And, Falwell or no, this ain't over; not by a long chalk. DALLAS (Reuters) - U.S. evangelist Jerry Falwell has been laid to rest but it is premature to write the political obituary of the conservative Christian movement he once led.
The "Religious Right," a movement linked to the Republican Party that seeks to redraw U.S. public policy along evangelical Christian lines, remains a political force -- and doesn't need a unifying leader, experts on the movement say.
Falwell, who died in May at the age of 73, had been increasingly sidelined since 1989, when he disbanded the Moral Majority -- a group that drummed up support for conservative Republicans.
But the movement has moved from success to success over the years, even as Falwell's influence waned -- not least in playing an instrumental role in securing two White House terms for devout Christian George W. Bush.
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And a little farther along: In Texas, its legislative agenda has included scuttling pro-gambling bills, while ballot initiatives in several states have banned same-sex marriage -- testimony to the effectiveness of its local activism.
It has also made inroads in the U.S. military, where critics say senior officers are carrying out a campaign to convert peers to evangelical Christianity -- with huge implications for U.S. foreign and defense policy as the United States pursues radical Islam.
"They want to see a spiritually transformed U.S. military with ambassadors for Christ in uniform," said Michael Weinstein, author of "With God on Our Side: One Man's War Against an Evangelical Coup in America's Military.'
And the movement can still rally millions of voters to the polls -- or keep them away, as heavyweight conservative James Dobson has threatened to do if the Republican Party nominates former New York mayor and pro-choice and pro-gay rights candidate Rudy Giuliani to run for president in 2008.
Polls consistently show that white evangelical Protestants remain the most reliable voters for the Republican Party. |
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2007 : 22:24:59 [Permalink]
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| Filthy, one good thing came of Falwell, I really like chickens. Since hiding out behind the chicken coup on my grandparents farm was about the only place I could get away from him. My grandfather, to hear the TV had the thing as loud as it could go. He liked to listen to Falwell, Baker, or any fundamentalist preacher when they had their shows constantly on during the 70s. I learned to like chickens better than preachers - go figure. |
...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
No Sense of Obligation by Matt Young
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
LtGen Thomas Holcomb, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps, 1943
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 12:46:26 [Permalink]
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Religous leaders of this level generally lead their "flocks" onto a path that does not conform to biblical standards.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Trish
SFN Addict
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 23:32:46 [Permalink]
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| Jerome - who's biblical standard - yours or theirs? There is so much in that book that it's nearly possible to interpret it any which way - which has been done as can be seen by the plethora of religious sects in existence today that all claim to derive from the bible. |
...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
No Sense of Obligation by Matt Young
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
LtGen Thomas Holcomb, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps, 1943
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skeptic griggsy
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 08:15:32 [Permalink]
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| The creep sold the lying Clinton Chronicles.And he was involved in selling retirement lodgings; was he a crook there? At least ,Hitchings got to get his say about the bum! |
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism. Logic is the bane of theists.Religion is mythinformation. Reason saves, not a dead Galilean fanatic. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 08:42:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Trish
Filthy, one good thing came of Falwell, I really like chickens. Since hiding out behind the chicken coup on my grandparents farm was about the only place I could get away from him. My grandfather, to hear the TV had the thing as loud as it could go. He liked to listen to Falwell, Baker, or any fundamentalist preacher when they had their shows constantly on during the 70s. I learned to like chickens better than preachers - go figure.
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And well you should prefer chickens to preachers. Of the two, they are of more value. I suppose that you could batter-fry a preacher, but who would want to eat it?
And of course, we can always use the eggs.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 02:40:39 [Permalink]
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In case you missed Jeff Cohen's article about Falwell. Cohen was co-founder of FAIR, an MSNBC pundit and producer on Donahue's MSNBC show.
| At the beginning of his rise 25 years ago, it was mainstream media complicity and gullibility that helped build Falwell's Moral Majority and the myth of its clout. As documented in Tina Rosenberg's 1982 Washington Monthly piece, “How the Media Made the Moral Majority,” Team Falwell repeatedly violated the Ninth Commandment by misleading journalists about their numbers and power. |
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Allow me to beat the dead horse one last time.
