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Hawks
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 Posted - 06/04/2007 : 03:07:07
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This is an incredible video. The quality is nothing short of amazing. Not. But at least (maybe) the businesses near the lake might make a few more bucks.
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METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 04:49:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
This is an incredible video. The quality is nothing short of amazing. Not. But at least (maybe) the businesses near the lake might make a few more bucks.
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Muskrat, muskrat....
What makes you smell so bad....?
I been livin' in the ground'
So damn' long, it's a'mortifyin' my head, head,
It's mortifyin' my head.
Don't know what it is, but I do know what it ain't. It ain't a giant reptile and it ain't a muskrat, although it looks a little like a swimming 'rat. The wake is too narrow to be anything much bigger.
I saw this one at Shadows of Manitoba.
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furshur
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 06:09:52 [Permalink]
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Amazing quality? I must have been looking at something different than you. There is no way to determine what animal made that wake or even be sure it was an animal.
edited to say - Oh for crying out loud I reread your post Hawks, and saw the 'not', as in not incredible. Never mind.....
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Ricky
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pleco
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USA
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 07:45:01 [Permalink]
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| I thought the two guys who started it all confessed? |
by Filthy
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 08:39:49 [Permalink]
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| What's funny is how much emphasis was put on local tourism by this supposed sighting, even by the “scientist.” If I were cynical, I might detect a motive for a hoax… |
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Why not question something for a change?
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Chippewa
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 09:06:28 [Permalink]
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| Once again YouTube is way ahead of the curve on this, with much clearer images and additional dialog explaining how the Loch Ness Monster is effectively dealt with. |
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filthy
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 Posted - 06/04/2007 : 09:51:37 [Permalink]
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I think that Nessie & Bigfoot & Batboy & Mothman, and the rest of them are good things. They give the easily deluded something to do -- keeping them off the streets and out of trouble. Further, they give the local economies a boost and provide needed employment for some otherwise unemployable people. And they give the skeptic a good laugh as well as provide 'im with a few heated arguments.
But what...., what if something were actually found? Boy-howdy, would our faces be red, or what? Well, mine wouldn't. I'd be too busy following the research to much care what the Nessiephiles have to say. Because, you see, the animal, as described, would be so far out of the ordinary, so downright alien, that it would boggle the mind. Calling it a plieosaur(sp?) shows a very lame imagination.
So, all & all, what's not to love?
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Dude
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 10:02:14 [Permalink]
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To me the video looks like a shadow on the water that is being projected from above. The ripples give it a 3D illusion....
I see no wake in the water, just a vaguely V shaped shadow.
The entire video would be usefull, to see if the image changes as the angles change. I'd bet it does.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 19:48:46 [Permalink]
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The video would be better if scale could be discerned. The most famous
picture of the "monster" has been stated by the photographer a fake.
Although, the loch is vast; it certainly could provide an environment for a large sea animal to reside.
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Robb
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 06:25:38 [Permalink]
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| This Video convinced me Nessie is real! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/05/2007 : 06:47:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The video would be better if scale could be discerned. The most famous
picture of the "monster" has been stated by the photographer a fake.
Although, the loch is vast; it certainly could provide an environment for a large sea animal to reside.
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How many times have I done this...?
Ok Jerome, the key word here is: "a," as in a monster. The loch would most likely support such. However, unless we are talking immortality here, there must be a viable population. A population large enough to be viable would certainly be numerous enough that the species would be well known and described, not just "sighted" now & again. Nessie does not exist, but it must be fun to think that she does, 'cause so many people subscribe to the myth, indeed, in any place with a large lake.
Neat monster, Robb! 
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 07:35:48 [Permalink]
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Filthy, there are many animals that live a long time and the loch is large enough to support a population of large animals. Remember, the giant Panda was thought to be fiction for a very long time.
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pleco
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 08:05:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Filthy, there are many animals that live a long time and the loch is large enough to support a population of large animals. Remember, the giant Panda was thought to be fiction for a very long time.
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Reference?
Here are some counter to this:
Link 1
| Loch Ness is a cold, deep lake, and has steeply sloping shores. This means that most of the water is cold and dark, and does not support much biological activity. If the Loch Ness monster is a plesiosaur, plesiosaurs would have to have survived for at least 65 million years. This could only happen if there was a substantial number of animals which would have formed a population large enough to avoid the problems of inbreeding. Loch Ness is neither big enough or productive enough to support such a population. |
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| Scientists have calculated that a maximum of 17 to 24 tons of fish live in the Loch Ness. For a lake of its size, it is a small amount, and would be able to keep alive about ten creatures weighing 226 kg each. According to Richard Forrest, an expert on plesiosaurs, ten creatures would not be enough to keep a colony going. “Thirty to forty creatures would be the minimum size of a breeding population,” he says. |
I could site many more, but I think we get the picture.... |
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Vegeta
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 09:30:49 [Permalink]
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What are you looking at? Haven't you ever seen a pink shirt before?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 13:07:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Filthy, there are many animals that live a long time and the loch is large enough to support a population of large animals. Remember, the giant Panda was thought to be fiction for a very long time.
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All the way from the Cretaceous Period? I think not. Pleoisaurs went out during the KT extinction with the rest of the giant reptiles. A pity, really...
So, I'll ask an interesting question: Where are the corpses? If there were a population of large animals in the loch, sooner or later one would be found floating rendolently on the surface or washed ashore, to the distress of the locals. This has never happened.
Y'see, the loch has no major scavengers, not even hagfish, so the carcass would not be consumed. It would arrive on the surface all but intact, except for some exlosive decompression of tissue.
Re: Pandas: The native Chinese name for the Giant Panda, Da xiong mao, means "great bear cat." Chinese books written over two thousand years ago endow the giant panda with mystical powers capable of warding off natural disasters and evil spirits. The ancient Chinese emperors kept giant pandas as pets.
The giant panda remained unknown to Westerners until 1869 when native hunters brought French missionary Armand David a dead specimen. He sent the pelt back to the Museum of Natural History in Paris. German zoologist Hugo Weigold was the first Westerner to observe a live giant panda in the wild. In 1929 Theodore and Kermit Roosevelt (sons of former U. S. President Theodore Roosevelt) became the first Westerners to hunt and kill a giant panda. It was not until 1937 that Ruth Harkness and Gerald Russell captured a live giant panda for the first time. It took sixty-seven years from the time of the giant panda's discovery by Westerners until its live capture. During this period twelve well staffed and equipped professional expeditions failed to collect a single live specimen of the giant panda.
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Fiction according to whom? "Unknown" means that we didn't know about it, not that it's a made-up story.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Best evidence ever for the Loch Ness Monster
