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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Trish
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 00:00:48 [Permalink]
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| I freely admitted plagiarism(in fact it was implied), the intellectually dishonest claim does not fit. |
Hmm, I was ready, based on your original post, to look up an MSDS, lacking any other information. If you copied the intellectual property of another without properly giving credit to that individual, which was not done in the OP nor in any of your posts, then that is plagiarism.
from Dictionary.com:
1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
2. something used and represented in this manner. |
You originally presented this information as though it were your original material, not material belonging to another. |
...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 06/17/2007 : 06:53:39 [Permalink]
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Uggh, this is a joke, if the source was given off the bat the joke would not follow. I hope you guys do not take real life this seriously.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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 Posted - 06/17/2007 : 07:03:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Uggh, this is a joke, if the source was given off the bat the joke would not follow. I hope you guys do not take real life this seriously. |
Others have found ways to make such jokes without fraud, and have made them funnier than you, Jerome. Had the joke actually been funny, perhaps the reception you got would have been different. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 09:19:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Uggh, this is a joke, if the source was given off the bat the joke would not follow. I hope you guys do not take real life this seriously.
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We are not without a sense of humor, Jerome, as you must know since you have been to many chat sessions. That isn't the point.
Jerome, next time put the joke in your own words or link to the site you have copied it from. It's as simple as that.
There is the issue of plagiarism and also one of copyright infringement.
I doubt you're intention was to be dishonest, but ignorance of such things doesn't get you, or us if it's a copy infringement, off the hook.
Just a bit of effort on your part could have removed plagiarism from the post. For example, you might have written something very clever and on your own about the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide.
Taking other peoples words and restating them verbatim without source with the intention of having those words be taken as your own is plagiarism. Rules are rules Jerome. And there is a very good reason for that rule, no matter how trivial the subject matter may be.
So just say you're sorry, you did not know, and will not do it again…
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 09:35:40 [Permalink]
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Sorry
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 09:43:08 [Permalink]
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By the way, copyright is an issue. The article you copied ends with this:
Copyright © by Tom Way
Contact: director@dhmo.org
And, by not citing, that puts SFN in harms way.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 09:48:51 [Permalink]
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I understand, my intention was to direct towards the site once the joke was established. Sorry, I do understand completely. It will not happen again.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 10:03:22 [Permalink]
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Although: § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
I believe this denotes SFN as having no jeopardy. |
What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 10:42:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Although: § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
I believe this denotes SFN as having no jeopardy. |
Fair use is for a judge to decide, not you or us. And because you weren't educating with that list, or criticizing the piece, or making a parody of it, we wouldn't even try to claim fair use. You didn't behave within the limits of the exemption. You're just showing off your ignorance again. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 11:31:42 [Permalink]
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Fair use still requires citation Jerome.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 11:38:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Although: § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
I believe this denotes SFN as having no jeopardy.
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Christ on a bike Jerome, you couldn't go down without an argument, no matter how lame.
Let me try to put this to you another way if you're going to argue about it.
Next time you use copyright material without citation, you will earn a warning and an instant deletion of your post. And It will be considered a second warning that could lead to a ban, because you have been told…
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 12:47:19 [Permalink]
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I would like to state openly that my citing of the fair use law was only to relieve the forum of concern. It was not an attempt at argument in favor of a position.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 13:15:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I would like to state openly that my citing of the fair use law was only to relieve the forum of concern. It was not an attempt at argument in favor of a position. |
I'm fairly convinced that the staff's collective knowledge concerning copyright and fair use greatly exceeds your knowledge. Patronizing us only serves to make us less lenient against you, and does not improve your position. |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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