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JEROME DA GNOME
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http://www.rudy-urbanlegend.com/
What Giuliani showed following 9/11 is a disgraceful lack of respect for the fallen and those brothers still searching for them. He valued the money and gold and wanted the [World Trade Center] site cleared before he left office at the end of 2001 more than he valued the lives and memories of those lost."
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Apparently, he also had firefighters arrested during the clean up after the gold was secured!
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 07/13/2007 : 22:26:27 [Permalink]
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16 readers and no comments?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 07/13/2007 : 23:32:43 [Permalink]
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/14/2007 : 00:24:10 [Permalink]
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What is there to discuss here that's so important that you felt a need to bump the thread just an hour and six minutes after you bumped it the first time?
What sort of comments are you looking for? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/14/2007 : 10:50:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
16 readers and no comments?
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Uhm, what's to comment on? Someone who wants to smear a potential major party Presidential nominee went to the trouble to find a bunch of firemen who don't like him and were willing to say so. It's politics as normal. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/14/2007 : 11:19:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mycroft
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
16 readers and no comments?
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Uhm, what's to comment on? Someone who wants to smear a potential major party Presidential nominee went to the trouble to find a bunch of firemen who don't like him and were willing to say so. It's politics as normal.
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I guess you are right. I just found it amazing that the man who has made a lot of money and political capitol based on his involvement with the 9/11 incident; in truth was a major contributing cause of the deaths of many of the firemen heroes that day.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/14/2007 : 15:50:39 [Permalink]
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| "swift boating" anyone? |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 07:13:43 [Permalink]
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| How is this any different than Bush with 9/11 or the thousands of other issues of hindsight politics? Really we should be blaming Ghandi and Truman, those fuckers! |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 09:14:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Mycroft
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
16 readers and no comments?
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Uhm, what's to comment on? Someone who wants to smear a potential major party Presidential nominee went to the trouble to find a bunch of firemen who don't like him and were willing to say so. It's politics as normal.
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I guess you are right. I just found it amazing that the man who has made a lot of money and political capitol based on his involvement with the 9/11 incident; in truth was a major contributing cause of the deaths of many of the firemen heroes that day.
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Was he a contributing cause? Well, his enemies will certainly say that, but proving it is another matter. The truth is any leader in a crisis situation will make errors of judgment that could easily be picked apart in hindsight, that's because none of us are omniscient and a crisis like that involves a lot of chaos.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 19:42:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mycroft
Was he a contributing cause? Well, his enemies will certainly say that, but proving it is another matter. The truth is any leader in a crisis situation will make errors of judgment that could easily be picked apart in hindsight, that's because none of us are omniscient and a crisis like that involves a lot of chaos.
I'm in agreement with Valient Dancer. This is no different from the Swift Boat veterans.
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According to the firemen, despite knowing that the firemens radios were ineffective during the first trade center bombing, he allowed a no bid purchase of radios (without testing, or following normal protocols) that resulted in another radio failure that in turn caused an inability of the fire chief call the firemen in the building out, resulting in many deaths.
In addition he had firemen arrested for trying to do their jobs (look for survivors) only days after the event.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 21:15:09 [Permalink]
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Jerome the troll wrote: | 16 readers and no comments? |
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This forum used to be so much fun. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
Check out my art store: http://www.marfknox.etsy.com
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 21:38:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Jerome the troll wrote: | 16 readers and no comments? |
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This forum used to be so much fun.
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What do you think about waht the firefighters said about Giuliani?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Giuliani is an Urban Legend says NYFD
