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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/14/2007 :  15:06:26  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Can polar bears swim?

Edited so the picture would not mess up the homepage.

Kil





HOAX!

Can polar bears swim?


What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell

Edited by - JEROME DA GNOME on 07/19/2007 21:42:38

Dave W.
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Posted - 07/14/2007 :  18:57:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's a link to a blog about this.

The Associated Press told lies to the media outlets to which it distributed the photo.

But even though non-scientists lied to other non-scientists who lied to the world coincident to the IPCC report release and Al Gore even managed to get taken in by the lie also, I'm sure Jerome will blame the whole thing on climate scientists needing more funding.

The truth is that no climate scientist in his/her right mind would have ever used this photo as evidence in favor of the man-made global warming hypothesis, and so this hoax (if it was, indeed, perpetrated maliciously) will have as much an effect as Piltdown Man being a hoax had on the theory of Evolution - no effect at all. The AP and Al Gore are going to keep catching hell about it, though, and it serves them right, the idiots.

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Posted - 07/14/2007 :  20:16:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Al Gore is not a scientist, and can sometimes be jerked around like most other laymen. He should be called on it when he is. But I think it's only fair to add that he's done a better job of relying upon real science than almost any other layman politician, as evidenced in his "An Inconvenient Truth."


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Ricky
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Posted - 07/14/2007 :  21:25:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ha! These two specific bears are not in danger! Therefore, global warming must not exist.

In the words of Colbert, "You shoot bears with a gun, not a camera."

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Edited by - Ricky on 07/14/2007 21:25:47
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Posted - 07/14/2007 :  21:51:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Those bears kinda sorta look like dogs, too, which would obviously disprove the theory of evolution.

Somehow.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  01:58:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Can polar bears swim?
Are you telling me you don't know if they can or not?


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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  08:18:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This is just one example of misrepresented information that plays on the weak minded and pulls emotional strings.

Common tactic in both religion and politics. MMGW is both!



What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  08:20:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ricky

Ha! These two specific bears are not in danger! Therefore, global warming must not exist.

In the words of Colbert, "You shoot bears with a gun, not a camera."


Straw man anyone?

Colbert is hilarious!

What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  08:23:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Al Gore is not a scientist, and can sometimes be jerked around like most other laymen. He should be called on it when he is. But I think it's only fair to add that he's done a better job of relying upon real science than almost any other layman politician, as evidenced in his "An Inconvenient Truth."




He forgot to mention that the co2 increases follow warming not the reverse!

Too bad science facts do not agree with this inconvenient falsehood of presentation.


What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  08:24:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Can polar bears swim?
Are you telling me you don't know if they can or not?




Sarcasm.

What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  08:27:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Here's a link to a blog about this.

The Associated Press told lies to the media outlets to which it distributed the photo.

But even though non-scientists lied to other non-scientists who lied to the world coincident to the IPCC report release and Al Gore even managed to get taken in by the lie also, I'm sure Jerome will blame the whole thing on climate scientists needing more funding.

The truth is that no climate scientist in his/her right mind would have ever used this photo as evidence in favor of the man-made global warming hypothesis, and so this hoax (if it was, indeed, perpetrated maliciously) will have as much an effect as Piltdown Man being a hoax had on the theory of Evolution - no effect at all. The AP and Al Gore are going to keep catching hell about it, though, and it serves them right, the idiots.



Do you think public opinion has no bearing on the future? (pun intended)


What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  08:34:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

This is just one example of misrepresented information that plays on the weak minded and pulls emotional strings.
This one came from the Associated Press.
Common tactic in both religion and politics. MMGW is both!
Is the AP acting religiously or politically?

You also wrote:
He forgot to mention that the co2 increases follow warming not the reverse!

Too bad science facts do not agree with this inconvenient falsehood of presentation.
Except the "science fact" is that right now, CO2 level increases and warming are occuring at the same time, so you are simply flat-out wrong that CO2 increases follow warming.

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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  08:41:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Except the "science fact" is that right now, CO2 level increases and warming are occuring at the same time, so you are simply flat-out wrong that CO2 increases follow warming.


The current increase has followed the warming.

If you believe this so much what are you doing to save the earth?

Have you stopped using co2 producing technology?

If not, you are nothing more that the pious parishioner that sleeps around and gambles!


What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  08:49:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

The current increase has followed the warming.
Per the historical data, the CO2 increases 200 years after the warming occurs. That they are happening at the same time tells us that the historical facts aren't a reliable predictor of what is happening now. To insist on the historical trend is to insist that what's happening today is not actually happening.
If you believe this so much what are you doing to save the earth?

Have you stopped using co2 producing technology?
Ah, the old "if you're not doing everything possible to prevent the problem, then you're a hypocrite" defense, which is completely unscientific and an ad hominem argument to boot.
If not, you are nothing more that the pious parishioner that sleeps around and gambles!
What I am doing or not doing has absolutely no bearing on the science of global climate change. To go in such a direction is to acknowledge the vacuity of your allegedly scientific argument.

And you did so so quickly, too! I'm impressed.

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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  09:02:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

The current increase has followed the warming.
Per the historical data, the CO2 increases 200 years after the warming occurs. That they are happening at the same time tells us that the historical facts aren't a reliable predictor of what is happening now.


Are you kidding about this?

Once the warming starts than co2 rises. (this you admit)

This does not; at once, stop the warming.

Of course one will see after the warming and the increase of co2 that the two lines continue to rise for a period. Eventually; according to the scientific data, the warming will reverse and the co2 will continue to increase for a time and then will also reverse. We have many thousands of years of data showing this.

I think you are either being intentionally obtuse or obscuring the facts for others.



What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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Posted - 07/15/2007 :  09:02:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anybody but me see that the bears are on the duckie and there's a fishie in front of it?

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