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pleco
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  12:11:35  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
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Looks like a pretty good read on why "Evolution is just a theory" is an invalid argument.


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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  12:30:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Sorry, its possible that someone in the universe could profit from evolution, therefor it is invalidated.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  12:50:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message
Originally posted by pleco

www.notjustatheory.com

Looks like a pretty good read on why "Evolution is just a theory" is an invalid argument.




I prefer the theory of creation.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  13:18:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Originally posted by Bill scott

Originally posted by pleco

www.notjustatheory.com

Looks like a pretty good read on why "Evolution is just a theory" is an invalid argument.




I prefer the theory of creation.

I guess you meant to say you believe in the conjecture of creation.

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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  13:25:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse



I guess you meant to say you believe in the conjecture of creation.


Whatever the scientists say, they can't be wrong. Just get a consensus and mix it in with a theory and *poof* you've now got empirical. Love how that science works.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  13:25:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
Originally posted by Bill scott
I prefer the theory of creation.
There is no theory of creation. There are only multiple stories of creation from a variety of cultures and times. Stories which lack all of the things required to become a theory.


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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  13:26:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
Originally posted by Bill scott
Whatever the scientists say, they can't be wrong. Just get a consensus and mix it in with a theory and *poof* you've now got empirical. Love how that science works.
But that isn't how science works, bill. That's just how you pretend it works so you can justify your ignorance to yourself.


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

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furshur
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  13:28:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Whatever the scientists say, they can't be wrong. Just get a consensus and mix it in with a theory and *poof* you've now got empirical. Love how that science works.

I also love how science works. Your first 2 sentences have nothing to do with how science works though.



If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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filthy
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  13:41:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Scientists get it wrong all the time. Indeed, many if not most experiments are failures and many observations produce incorrect conclusions. The beauty of this is that scientists correct themselves, or are corrected by other scientists.

And that is the how and why of science's success.




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pleco
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  13:53:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
Originally posted by Bill scott
I prefer the theory of creation.


I bet you didn't read the article, did you?

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  14:13:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Originally posted by Bill scott
Whatever the scientists say, they can't be wrong. Just get a consensus and mix it in with a theory and *poof* you've now got empirical. Love how that science works.

Are you proud of being an ignoramus?

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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  14:24:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message
Originally posted by filthy






Scientists get it wrong all the time.


The honesty is refreshing. “Scientist” do not have a strangle hold on truth. Many times they are wrong, and those defending their science are, therefore, defending that which is not true.




The beauty of this is that scientists correct themselves, or are corrected by other scientists.


100% of the time? Say no. Therefore that which is not true is passed along as truth, under the banner of “science.”

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  14:26:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message
Originally posted by pleco

Originally posted by Bill scott
I prefer the theory of creation.


I bet you didn't read the article, did you?


It's a bet.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  14:28:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by Bill scott
Whatever the scientists say, they can't be wrong. Just get a consensus and mix it in with a theory and *poof* you've now got empirical. Love how that science works.

Are you proud of being an ignoramus?



Grow up.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  14:37:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Thank you, pleco! A fine, concise explanation of one of the most critical, and often deliberately misunderstood, terms of science.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/20/2007 :  14:50:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Originally posted by Bill scott

Many times they are wrong, and those defending their science are, therefore, defending that which is not true.
Who has been defending wrong science? Anyone in particular?

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