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HalfMooner
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 08:27:22 [Permalink]
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No, J, NONE of the words are anywhere even close to legible! That could be the Magna Carta being pointed to, as far as that video's quality is concerned.
Here's words that I think I can hear:
pipe
key
kick (or kit)
steal (or steel, or seal)
flame (or plane, or plain)
mud
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/11/2007 : 08:44:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
No, J, NONE of the words are anywhere even close to legible! That could be the Magna Carta being pointed to, as far as that video's quality is concerned.
Here's words that I think I can hear:
pipe
key
kick (or kit)
steal (or steel, or seal)
flame (or plane, or plain)
mud
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Uhh, the teacher repeats the words and they are very clear. The words are written and apparent on my monitor.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 09:06:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by HalfMooner
No, J, NONE of the words are anywhere even close to legible! That could be the Magna Carta being pointed to, as far as that video's quality is concerned.
Here's words that I think I can hear:
pipe
key
kick (or kit)
steal (or steel, or seal)
flame (or plane, or plain)
mud
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Uhh, the teacher repeats the words and they are very clear. The words are written and apparent on my monitor.
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Honestly, Jerome, I think you must be both hearing and seeing things through a personal filter of psychosis. I can't imagine any rational reason you would claim to see and hear these things, and can only assume auditory and visual hallucinations. You should get that checked out, seriously.
While the words are rather hard to hear clearly, they are totally impossible to read.
Here's as good of a screen capture as I could get during a close-up of the teacher's list. (I have "high" quality set for the Flash player.) The boldest words on the sheet could be in Greek or Hebrew, from all I can make out:
If you can get a clearer screen capture, I'd love to see it. Put up, or shut up. But if you think you can read the above, you are simply delusional.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 09:13:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Let's break this down, Jerome. I'll start, because you seem to have cold feet about making any real conclusions, instead just trolling to add to the general paranoid background noise.
First, apparently nobody here except you hears that list of words, which, even if they were spoken would prove nothing. You begin with no evidence, then blithely go on to imply grave paranoid "connections" to other events.
You seem to be implying that this teacher, and maybe her little students, were aware of the 9/11 attacks in advance, and chose to reveal this by chanting certain key words? Just a few questions:
1) Why? Why would the 9/11 conspirators, be they Al Qaeda or the New World Order, tell this elementary public school teacher in advance? Wouldn't that be a bizarrely risky breach of security? Or are all teachers part of Them? (That would seem to fit with your hatred for, and apparent avoidance of, public education.)
2) What would be the point of the chanting, if it were done by someone with foreknowledge of 9/11? Some kind of voodoo magic? Huh, Jerome?
3) Do you have any idea how bat-shit, paranoid crazy this make us think you are?
4) Do you have any idea how angry this kind of insane fantasy crap makes some of us, while Bin Laden is still on the loose six years after the attacks?
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Your questions seem paranoid. Were you once a WOO?
You have made up a great deal beyond what I said. I am sorry you can not enjoy a freaky coincidence without paranoid projections onto the messenger.
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Yeah, I briefly believed in extra-terrestrial visitations in UFOs, about 48 years ago when I was in Junior High School. I got smarter, though.
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furshur
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 11:18:27 [Permalink]
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Well, I listened to the first 50 seconds of the video and I agree with Jerome that the twilight zone theme should be cued up. But only for Jerome; because if he really beleives he can hear and see those words then he is definitly deep, deep into the twilight zone.
For your consideration, a gulible, odd little man - Jerome...
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 18:11:14 [Permalink]
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It is not as big a deal; this coincidence , as you all are making it out to be.
The method of teaching that the teacher is using is not uncommon, nor are the vocabulary words that she is teaching uncommon. I can not recall the name of the method currently; when I do I will post the info.
This is nothing more than a freaky occurrence with ZERO ramifications.
If find the denial rather revealing.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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moakley
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 18:31:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The method of teaching that the teacher is using is not uncommon, nor are the vocabulary words that she is teaching uncommon. I can not recall the name of the method currently; when I do I will post the info.
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I believe it may be phonics an offshoot of the written equivalent kilbonics. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 18:51:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
No, J, NONE of the words are anywhere even close to legible! That could be the Magna Carta being pointed to, as far as that video's quality is concerned.
Here's words that I think I can hear:
pipe
key
kick (or kit)
steal (or steel, or seal)
flame (or plane, or plain)
mud
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I think the first word is kite and the next is kit. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 19:48:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
If find the denial rather revealing. |
Jerome, I don't think anyone here is in denial of anything. What has been offered is alternatives to your conclusions. I think the only thing agreed upon thus far is that the video is of such low quality that the words can not be determined. You claimed you could read the words, that claim was challenged. You ignored it. Why?
Now the claim that you can hear the words is much harder to contest or confirm. Hearing can often be a difficult thing because much of our hearing is based upon pattern recognition and guessing. This is especially true when you read what you hear first, then go listening for it. Michael Shermer demonstrates this in this video (feel free to fast forward to 2:30).
Don't make accusations of denial just because someone does not agree with you. It honestly makes you look rather pathetic.
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Concerning reverse speech I think along the same line as Mike.
This video is forward speech.
I fully understand what your premise is. It does not hold true in this case. I was not looking for words, just reminiscing about 9/11. I saw this video which I had seen before and listen to the words and was dumbstruck with what I heard.
From here I said WFT.
I researched and found that this is a used method of teaching vocabulary and these are common vocabulary words within the method.
The conclusion being: freaky coincidence.
The outright denials and accusations do say very much.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 20:01:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
It is not as big a deal; this coincidence , as you all are making it out to be.
The method of teaching that the teacher is using is not uncommon, nor are the vocabulary words that she is teaching uncommon. I can not recall the name of the method currently; when I do I will post the info.
This is nothing more than a freaky occurrence with ZERO ramifications.
If find the denial rather revealing.
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I think your retreat from implication to "coincidence" itself is revealing. I suspect that if the word list you claimed was clearly there, you'd be making overt conspiracy claims based upon the five words.
The main point we've made is that the "coincidence" of the words you claim to hear and see just doesn't exist. Yes, that's "revealing." It reveals skepticism in it's finest form.
Meanwhile, you continue to ignore my challenge to provide a legible screen capture of the instructional sheet's text, even though you claim those words are clearly legible.
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Ricky
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 20:19:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I think your retreat from implication to "coincidence" itself is revealing. I suspect that if the word list you claimed was clearly there, you'd be making overt conspiracy claims based upon the five words.
The main point we've made is that the "coincidence" of the words you claim to hear and see just doesn't exist. Yes, that's "revealing." It reveals skepticism in it's finest form.
Meanwhile, you continue to ignore my challenge to provide a legible screen capture of the instructional sheet's text, even though you claim those words are clearly legible.
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I never implied conspiracy. I used the word coincidence in my third post and the word freaky in my OP. No backpedaling, sorry.
I can read and hear the words. Many others I have shown it to also heard and saw the words without prompting. This is the only group which denies what they hear and see. This is obviously based on the fact that this group thinks that if they hear or see these particular words in this particular setting this means a conspiracy, when in fact this is nothing more than a freaky coincidence.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 20:22:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Then you missed the entire point Shermer was making. Speech is about pattern recognition. It does not matter whether this speech is forward or backwards, it is all sounds regardless. And it doesn't matter whether you think you are looking for the words or not. Ever since I played the Shermer video the first time, I can't not hear the words, no matter how hard I try. |
Well, funny that. The dozens of people I presented these 50 seconds to all heard and many saw the words. There was zero prompting outside of asking if they want to see something freaky with no further explanation of what they would be watching or the context of the video.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 20:48:04 [Permalink]
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Denials of backpeddling from implying woo, and claims of legibility, Jerome.
We're not your credulous friends, J. We're skeptics. We try hard to analyze what we observe, not just jump to delusional conclusions.
But I notice one thing: You still haven't produced a legible screen capture. If it's legible, you could easily show us. I posted the very best image I could find, and it's completely illegible.
Here it is, again, blown up:
I earlier demanded you "put up or shut up." You had your chance, now shut up.
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Freakist 50 Seconds Ever!!!
