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marfknox
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Posted - 09/27/2007 :  06:50:53  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The head of the Catholic Church in Mozambique has told the BBC he believes some European-made condoms are infected with HIV deliberately.

Maputo Archbishop Francisco Chimoio claimed some anti-retroviral drugs were also infected "in order to finish quickly the African people".


I'm at a loss for words on this one.

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pleco
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Posted - 09/27/2007 :  06:54:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I eagerly await the Vatican's response to this irresponsible and delusional Archbishop.

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/27/2007 :  07:04:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I hear that condoms evolved from monkies! thats why they have HIV and Ebola.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 09/27/2007 :  07:23:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, groan! That guy, honestly, could be improved by a nice tarring and feathering. When a bastard with such "authority" makes such a comment, hundreds, maybe thousands, can die as a result.




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furshur
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Posted - 09/27/2007 :  08:51:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The number of people that are dying in Africa because of irresponsible crap like this is horrifying.



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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 09/27/2007 :  15:29:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Where's Jerome when you need him to posit a massive conspiracy-- complete with 10-minute You Tube selections!
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marfknox
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Posted - 09/27/2007 :  20:51:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Where's Jerome when you need him to posit a massive conspiracy-- complete with 10-minute You Tube selections!
Ding, dong, the gnome is dead! *happy dance*

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Edited by - marfknox on 09/27/2007 20:51:22
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 09/27/2007 :  22:30:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Ghost_Skeptic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I guess some Catholics have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 19th Century. I think the Vatican now considers condoms acceptable for married couples when one partner is HIV positive. It looks this tiny step in the right direction was too much for this clown's rigid thinking.
It seems that there is no problem in Africa that can not be made wores by morons in high places.

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  05:57:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
of course, it's the condoms, nothing to do with all the butt-fucking

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marfknox
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  07:05:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
OFFC wrote:
of course, it's the condoms, nothing to do with all the butt-fucking
What the hell are you talking about? http://www.avert.org/women.htm

Most HIV+ women have been infected with HIV through heterosexual sex. Physically, women are more susceptible than men to HIV infection through heterosexual sex, and this fact alone means that special attention must be paid to protecting them if they are not to be disproportionately affected by the epidemic.

Information drawn from different studies shows that during heterosexual sex, women are about twice as likely to become infected with HIV from men as men are from women. This is a major reason why women have caught up so rapidly with men when it comes to figures for the numbers of HIV+ people.


Lots of the women getting HIV in Africa are married. But cheating is common all over the world, and more common among men.

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According to the latest 2001 national census, Christians accounted for 79.7% of the population. This includes Zion Christian 11.1%, Pentecostal (Charismatic) 8.2%, Catholic 7.1%, Methodist 6.8%, Dutch Reformed 6.7%, Anglican 3.8%, and other Christian 36%.


In short, many if not most of the people in Africa with HIV or AIDS are heterosexual Christian women who are faithful to their husbands, you bigoted jerk.

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pleco
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  07:23:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  09:55:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
either way, it aint the condoms. That was my main point.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  10:14:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

either way, it aint the condoms. That was my main point.
It's not the condoms, it's the organs they go on. Neutering people is obviously the best way to prevent the spread of AIDS.

Now, how do we stop the spread of religion?


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chaloobi
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  10:29:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

Originally posted by On fire for Christ

either way, it aint the condoms. That was my main point.
It's not the condoms, it's the organs they go on. Neutering people is obviously the best way to prevent the spread of AIDS.

Now, how do we stop the spread of religion?

#1. No no no. Neutering is not good enough - they're still walking bags of virus tainted blood, afterall. The infected must be exterminated.

#2. So this guy really thinks that Europeans are trying to exterminate the Africans via AIDS? Well, why not. They're on average less intelligent creatures, you know.

#3. I wonder if his inability to accept the pervasiveness of adultery in the local culture has led him to this outlandish belief. How else to explain the spread of AIDS among Catholics who, being Catholics, don't commit rampant adultery as a matter of course?

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  17:23:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

OFFC wrote:
of course, it's the condoms, nothing to do with all the butt-fucking
What the hell are you talking about? http://www.avert.org/women.htm

Most HIV+ women have been infected with HIV through heterosexual sex. Physically, women are more susceptible than men to HIV infection through heterosexual sex, and this fact alone means that special attention must be paid to protecting them if they are not to be disproportionately affected by the epidemic.

Information drawn from different studies shows that during heterosexual sex, women are about twice as likely to become infected with HIV from men as men are from women. This is a major reason why women have caught up so rapidly with men when it comes to figures for the numbers of HIV+ people.


Lots of the women getting HIV in Africa are married. But cheating is common all over the world, and more common among men.

Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_africa#Religion
According to the latest 2001 national census, Christians accounted for 79.7% of the population. This includes Zion Christian 11.1%, Pentecostal (Charismatic) 8.2%, Catholic 7.1%, Methodist 6.8%, Dutch Reformed 6.7%, Anglican 3.8%, and other Christian 36%.


In short, many if not most of the people in Africa with HIV or AIDS are heterosexual Christian women who are faithful to their husbands, you bigoted jerk.


Sigh.

And neither of these groups have the same infection risk as male homosexual sex.

When the methodology of that sex is examined, people who engage in anal sex are at a higher risk for transmitting the disease than all others due to the nature of the act. Anal penetration (gender irrelevant) is a high risk sexual act as the reciever is prone to tearing and the perpensity of condom failures from this activity.

This is not a rant against homosexuality, rather an analysis of the risk factors in HIV transmission. Any activity which increases the possibility of getting the blood or semen into an open wound is an inherently risky activity.

Religion is not a factor in these except for any prohibitions against barrier type birth control methods between heterosexual couples. Claims of religious protection against the disease are likewise absurd. Germs and viruses are not religious.

And I will remind the members of the forums that televangelists are paracites, not germs or viruses.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/25/2007 :  08:11:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It is true that there is a great difference in the transfer rate between homosexual males and heterosexual women, but that doesn't negate the problem that there is a wide spread problem.
If all homosexual males in Africa suddenly disappeared, there would still be a serious problem, and HIV would still continue to spread. They may have been the ones getting the snowball rolling, but now it's been rolling a while and is picking up speed, fueled by this idiot bishop.

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