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Mycroft
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 Posted - 10/11/2007 : 11:24:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
Trumped up polciy? How about Iran is developing nuclear weapons, are well along in that regard, and that Ahmedinijad is an all powerful dictator bent on the destruction of Isreal and the domination of the Middle-East. Setting aside Ahmedinijad's empty rhetoric - which has lost him much support within Iran's political power structure - there is no evidence any of this is true. |
You have not identified any policy. You have named some beliefs about the intentions and capabilities of Iran, but beliefs are not a policy.
Incidentally, there is evidence to support these beliefs. You may disagree that the evidence is conclusive, but it's certainly not rational to dismiss the concerns out of hand.
Originally posted by chaloobi
As for the true intentions? For some reason the Bush Administration wants a war with Iran and they are currently engaged in whipping up fear in the US to gain support for that policy. |
Except that they don't seem to be doing that at all. If the Bush administration did want war with Iran, they would be making a huge issues of any of the following:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296642,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297426,00.html?sPage=fnc.world/iraq
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6570794?source=rss&nclick_check=1
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/22/iraq.main.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest
http://www.nysun.com/article/58507?page_no=1
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1977470.ece
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1173879171061
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003590966_iraqdig27.html?syndication=rss
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254600,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml
http://www.armytimes.com/legacy/new/1-292925-2056748.php
...but instead seem to be downplaying it all. There is a lot of material available for sabre-rattling if that's what the Bush administration wanted to do, but they're not doing it.
Originally posted by chaloobi
I don't know why. I'm sure it loosely relates to dominating the middle-east in order to secure a reasonably priced oil supply and lucrative contracts for US oil companies for the forseeable future. But who knows. Perhaps their support for Shia militias in Iraq is an issue. Perhaps Iran's growth in influence with the removal of Saddam as a detterant is another issue. Maybe it is in part influence from the Isreali lobby.
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You seem to be brushing all the hot buttons from the conspiracy woos, but speculation is not evidence. The bottom line is another administration is going to be elected in 13 months and the current administration is not acting like it's going to do anything in that time except continue with what it's doing now. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 10/11/2007 : 11:31:54 [Permalink]
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You don't think at least some major elements of the Bush Administration have been pushing for war with Iran???
You don't think open accusatory hostility to Iran vs. engagement is an actual foreign policy to that nation? |
-Chaloobi
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2007 : 12:23:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
You don't think at least some major elements of the Bush Administration have been pushing for war with Iran??? |
Is that what you believe? Which elements? What is your evidence?
Originally posted by chaloobi
You don't think open accusatory hostility to Iran vs. engagement is an actual foreign policy to that nation?
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Be honest, isn't it more likely that accusations made against Iran are a result of actual Iranian actions rather than a specific Bush administration policy?
You make it sound as though our relationship with Iran is determined solely by our own policy towards Iran, and that Iran itself has nothing to do with it. Surely that can't be what you really believe. |
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chaloobi
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Ahmadinejad gets a dose of homegrown democracy
