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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 11/15/2007 : 08:06:27
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/11/14/saltwater.fire/index.html
Not exatly a cure for cancer, but pretty damn cool.
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"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 11:42:45 [Permalink]
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Well, I gotta think more energy's going into this than is coming out.
Oops, looks like Rustum Roy, the "scientist" who is so impressed, is a quack woo himself.
Wiki says:| Rustum Roy (born July 3, 1924) is a materials scientist, science policy analyst, advocate of interdisciplinary education and alternative medicine, and science and religion. Roy holds professorships in materials science at Arizona State University and in medicine at the University of Arizona, as well as emeritus honors at Pennsylvania State University (Penn State) in three fields. |
Then there is this thread at JREF. In it, pgwenthold writes: | Rustom Roy is a pretty big loon. I remember back in the early 90s he was big on eliminating the peer review system, in the name of "young scientists" who apparently couldn't get their work published due to the biases of the old guys. Oddly enough, I didn't meet too many of them as I began my career. Roy postulated a system in which young people only needed to get a senior colleague endorsement of their work for it to be published. It never caught on (unless he did it in his own journal that he started). |
In the article cited by the above JREF thread, Roy is defending the "memory" of water, in a homeopathy journal. This is in support of homeopathy's bizarre (but logically essential) claim that liquid water can somehow hold a fixed "structure" that will allow it to mimic the (supposed) effects of homeopathic "drugs" that have been diluted so much that not a single molecule of the drug is in the water.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 11/15/2007 12:41:52 |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 11:51:55 [Permalink]
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| Yeah they mention the energy input in the article, they arent claiming free energy or anything. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 11:59:36 [Permalink]
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The trick I've discovered when some unknown makes an amazing breakthrough, is to ignore that guy for the moment, and start Googling any the "expert" is that is quoted as lending his/her authority to the "breakthrough." It worked before, and this time, too.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 11/15/2007 12:03:37 |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 12:49:37 [Permalink]
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Check out the kind of crap woo books that Rustum Roy promotes on his "Friends of Health" site. This guy walks and sounds like a professional quack, with his materials science providing a sideline and academic cover.
Pretty damned nasty of CNN to be pushing quackery.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 11/15/2007 13:05:52 |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 14:13:28 [Permalink]
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Even if the idea that the radio waves are breaking covalent bonds is true, is seems very unlikely that the resultant net energy is going to be a positive number.
The idea he has for treating cancer is not entirely implausible, but the technological hurdle of getting a metal particle large enough to be warmed by radio waves and small enough to pass a cell membrane into only cancerous cells is going to be difficult.
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 17:38:53 [Permalink]
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Considering Roy's involvement, I will accept that the water caught fire only after scientific duplication of the experiment -- even if it were admitted that more energy went into the water than came out.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 20:18:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Considering Roy's involvement, I will accept that the water caught fire only after scientific duplication of the experiment -- even if it were admitted that more energy went into the water than came out. |
The really interesting part is, how much extra energy?
As for the idea of burning cancer cells to death by radiation... that idea is old. Even the idea of having something in the cell that can burn up through energy transfer.
But radiation part isn't really that hard. The problem is navigating the "fuel" to the cancer cells without it spreading to other tissues. You would preferably want to be able to target metastases as well, by making the fuel deliverable by a system-wide dose.
To do that you need to research microbiology, and molecular biology. I doubt a retired radio station owner would have the qualification to even accidentally stumble onto the solution. |
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