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Orwellingly Yurz
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 Posted - 12/09/2007 : 17:40:07
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YO: BuzzFlashers everywhere got this today...
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/articles/editorblog/018
BuzzFlash found an actual statement reflecting Rudolph Giuliani's honest thoughts. On Friday, December 7, he told an association of manufacturers in Illinois:
"You know what the essential nature of the American people is?" Giuliani said. "You know because your association stands for it. The essential nature of the American people is: We want to sell you something."
Orwellingly Yurz Sez:
Yes, Rudy. Just like the American people want to their tax dollars to support the building and re-building of bridges; the underwriting of local police and fire departments. Heck, we ALL need bridges and firemen and policemen, right?
Illogically, we DON'T all need healthcare or quality teachers or education. And we also don't need good healthcare for returning military personnel who've been physically and mentally maimed in
the Bush Oil Wars of the Middle East, do we?
Yes, Rudy. You're right, just like George W. Bush might say, "Go out and run up that debt on your plastic folks, before Armegeddon gets here 'cause that's really what America's all about!"
God's Own Party, the Repuglican'ts, have lowered the standard as far as it can go. Now Rudy can leap over it!
OY Triple Vey
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If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
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Edited by - Orwellingly Yurz on 12/09/2007 17:44:12
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2007 : 23:46:54 [Permalink]
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It's not the most poetic of statements, but neither does it justify the screed from that buzzflash editor.
Or yours.
Seriously, if that's the worst you can dig up on Rudy, then I predict he will get the nomination. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/10/2007 : 03:54:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mycroft
It's not the most poetic of statements, but neither does it justify the screed from that buzzflash editor.
Or yours.
Seriously, if that's the worst you can dig up on Rudy, then I predict he will get the nomination.
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Nah, he won't be nominated. Too many ethics problems are coming to light and the religious right seems to have fallen, at least temporarly, in love with Huckabee. The focus of the Republican race today was on Rudy Giuliani, who scrambled to explain yesterday's Politico story that documented that he has "billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons." Many of the receipts and documents that were billed to the city concerned travels to Southhampton where Judith Nathan had an apartment, and they reveal numerous Long Island visits throughout the summers of 99, 00 and 01.
Asked about this during the debate yesterday, Giuliani simply said it was "not true" without specifying what exactly he was denying -- and he justified this with "security" costs. The issue, however, does not appear to be Giuliani's use of funds, but that they were billed to obscure agencies instead around the city like the Office for People with Disabilities ($10,054), the Procurement Policy Board ($29.757) adn the Assigned Counsel Administrative Office ($400,000). |
I could be ignorant of the law, but don't people go to jail for this sort of thing?
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2007 : 21:58:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
I could be ignorant of the law, but don't people go to jail for this sort of thing?
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What sort of thing? Having an affair? Charging security expenses to the city? Neither of these things are illegal. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 22:26:32 [Permalink]
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Charging the security expense of your mistress to the city is probably illegal. If it doesn't violate any law it is certainly still wrong.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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Hope, n.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 12/12/2007 : 03:00:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mycroft
Originally posted by filthy
I could be ignorant of the law, but don't people go to jail for this sort of thing?
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What sort of thing? Having an affair? Charging security expenses to the city? Neither of these things are illegal.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that using public resources for unrelated, private purposes and then burying the billing certainly is.
It is true that keeping a mistress is A-0k and I wish that I could afford one, but, as Rudy was married at the time, it raises something of a moral dilemma, and most Republicans, including the ones who do exactly the same, don't like that.
Hell I dunno, maybe he will be nominated. It probably depends on how drunk the various deligates get at the convention and considering the rest of the candidates they have to choose from,  , many might need designated drivers to get back to their hotels. Or to the de-tox center.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 21:16:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that using public resources for unrelated, private purposes and then burying the billing certainly is. |
Is that what he did? Is anyone claiming he used public funds for private purposes?
Keep in mind that security isn't a "private purpose" even if he's performing private activities. As mayor, he gets security no matter what he's doing.
Were the expenses buried? Maybe, maybe not; there seems to be disagreement on that. But even if they were buried, it's still not a crime unless they were illegal to begin with. Keeping an affair from going public is not at all illegal. We even have a constitutional right to privacy.
Originally posted by filthy
It is true that keeping a mistress is A-0k and I wish that I could afford one, but, as Rudy was married at the time, it raises something of a moral dilemma, and most Republicans, including the ones who do exactly the same, don't like that. |
So you're okay with him having a mistress, you just want to be sure it's noticed by the audience you think will be offended by it. :)
Originally posted by filthy
Hell I dunno, maybe he will be nominated. It probably depends on how drunk the various deligates get at the convention and considering the rest of the candidates they have to choose from, , many might need designated drivers to get back to their hotels. Or to the de-tox center. |
It seems to me that of the Republican choices Rudy is the most socially liberal. For that reason, I hope he wins the Republican nomination. That way if the Dems lose, then we get the least bad of the other choices.
Some people think differently, they want the opposing party to nominate the most extreme wacko idiot candidate they got so their own party has a better chance of being elected, but the Republicans did nominate their most extreme wacko idiot back in 2000 and 2004 and he still won.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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14408 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 04:46:54 [Permalink]
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Rudy's Shag Fund. A timeline.
This is not illegle? Evidently not; nobody's been indicted for it. Yet. But even if not, it is certainly corrupt.
Rudy's Shag Fund Excuses. None of them very imaginitive but an entertaining read none the less.
I have been given to understand that the end might not yet be in sight. I was told this in conversation and have no reference. Yet.
This mess added to your afore-mentioned liberal leanings, plus that he is highly unlikely to beat his Democratic opposition in any presidential election that is not rigged, are precisely why he is unlikely to be nominated.
I think that the Faustian Bargain that the Republicans made with the Religious Right decades back is beginning to come back to haunt them in this-coming election. Aside from Huckabee, none of their candidates are suitable to the fundies, and I doubt that Huck, a YEC ex-preacher with a few ethics problems of his own, can win it, either.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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