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bngbuck
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Posted - 01/03/2008 :  14:53:03  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Politicionados©; (my neologism); read this brief article from this morning's Times and think a minute!

Makes me rethink the overwhelmingly logical position that if Huckabee is nominated, and then elected, it will be an unmitigated disaster for this country.

Now please don't misunderstand; I think Hillary is a hell of a poor lesser of two evils, but when November comes, I'm not voting for any fucking Republican! Especially a fundie! Baptist! Minister! Hypocrite! Creationist! Motherfu...! And, unhappy as I am with the weenie performance of our current Democratic Congress, only a Republican or Democrat can win the Presidency!

So if Caligula reincarnated as a Democratic presidental candidate running against Albert Schweitzer, bereft of religion, but running as a Republican, I would instantly choose Gaius Caesar Germanicus!

I will vote for any Democrat that is nominated, because it is the only way to begin to loosen the grip that entrenched Big Money has acquired under Bush and the Boys.

But there has been a good deal written recently in the papers, political blogs and party organs about Huckabee's divisive effect on the GOP. Which is a hell of a good thing! As the Red Plague polarizes, it's power pales! And fewer GOP congress members are elected.

As president, Huckabee would undoubtedly work to strengthen the effects of religious fundamentalist meddling in the affairs of government, but--- would this be a worse eventuality than a Romney presidency handing ever more power, influence, and control to big business, war profiteers, and the Cheney/Rove money and power cabal?

To say nothing of the undoubted influence of his Mormon faith, which is the most cracked crock of christian crap ever concocted!

Aside from the fact that he's nuts, Huckabee does not appear to be a heavy conservative, at least in the good-old-boys-club sense. He's dumb as a sack of hammers, but compared to Bush, he's Mensan! And Bush's stupidity, although monumental, has not been his biggest flaw, rather his obedience to the malevolent neocon cadre that pushed him into power!

Opinions?

Edited by - bngbuck on 01/03/2008 23:32:07

filthy
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Posted - 01/03/2008 :  17:31:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Huckabee & Huckaboo,
Into the office,
He ain't gonna shoo.

For the first time in his political life, he's getting some really serious attention and what's coming out doesn't look like it'll help him much. And with the exception of Johnny McCain, the rest of the Republicans are pathetic. McCain only seems to have gone berserk.

I think that when all the bullshit is finally over, McCain will get the nomination. The Iowa Caucus is merely culling the herd and means little beyond that.

Me, I'd vote for a little red hen before I would any Republican. We'd get about the same intellect and damn, but we can certainly use the eggs.




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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 01/03/2008 :  18:42:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by bngbuck
To say nothing of the undoubted influence of his Mormon faith, which is the most cracked crock of christian crap ever concocted!
And given how utterly insane Christianity is in general (some Jewish peasant walked on water? and rose from the dead? and then flew into heaven?), that's saying something. And yet, I agree 100%...
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Dude
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Posted - 01/03/2008 :  23:26:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Huckabee would be an unmitigated disaster if elected. He is delusional.

He seems like a nice guy, and he probably is! But he so obviously lacks the capacity to sort reality from fantasy and prejudice that he'd be worse than a disaster as president. We'd have to call him the smiling facist, and he'd be carrying that flag-draped cross of his everywhere he went.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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bngbuck
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Posted - 01/03/2008 :  23:35:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dude.....

What do you think of a Romney presidency? (As compared to Two Buck Huck?)
Edited by - bngbuck on 01/03/2008 23:36:55
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bngbuck
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  00:12:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Filthy.....

Thanks so much for the Huckaboo link. I had heard vaguely of the dog story, but that detail literally made my blood boil. I am going to use every means at my disposal to alert Animal Rights activists to the need for fully publicizing that event. Especially after Fuckabee's win in Iowa today! What a bastard! WHAT A BASTARD!! He and his fucking son ought to be in the same jail with Michael Prick and neither one should be issued pants or Vaseline!

Filth, what's your view of Romney as President, with his obvious big money ties and heavy Mormon baggage full of bullshit?

The way it looks tonight, either Fuckabee or Mutt may have a small chance to edge out Rudely or Jumping Johnny for the Red Plague's main man! New Hampshire will clear the fog a little! I agree with you that McPain is the most likely when it gets to the big board!



Edited by - bngbuck on 01/04/2008 00:16:24
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Dude
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  02:10:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
bng asked:
What do you think of a Romney presidency?

Marginally preferable to Huckabee.

John McCain in 2000 was the closest I have ever been to voting for a republican, but he decided to drink the evangelical koolaid this time around. Probably because they kicked his ass in SC 2000 primary, and he knows he can't get elected without them.

If he had a shred of actual integrity he would have left the republican party and become an independent. I don't think it would have hurt his political career at all.

So as it is, I'd sooner sever my own hand with a bag full of plastic knives than vote for any of the republicans running. (with the possible exception of Ron Paul)


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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filthy
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  04:31:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by bngbuck

Filthy.....

Thanks so much for the Huckaboo link. I had heard vaguely of the dog story, but that detail literally made my blood boil. I am going to use every means at my disposal to alert Animal Rights activists to the need for fully publicizing that event. Especially after Fuckabee's win in Iowa today! What a bastard! WHAT A BASTARD!! He and his fucking son ought to be in the same jail with Michael Prick and neither one should be issued pants or Vaseline!

Filth, what's your view of Romney as President, with his obvious big money ties and heavy Mormon baggage full of bullshit?

The way it looks tonight, either Fuckabee or Mutt may have a small chance to edge out Rudely or Jumping Johnny for the Red Plague's main man! New Hampshire will clear the fog a little! I agree with you that McPain is the most likely when it gets to the big board!

Agree with Dude; marginally better than Huck without the guitar. But from what I've seen, he only takes a stand when it's convienent to do so. He's been reversing positions on just about everything. I don't think he's nationally electable.

But remember, I was tragically wrong about that sort of thing in 2000 & 2004.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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filthy
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  05:03:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And then we have this pearl of wisdom from the most suspected of the usual suspects:

On Wednesday, Robertson, 77, implied that God informed him who will be elected president in November.

“He told me some things about the election, but I'm not going to say, because some old man on “60 Minutes” would make fun of me, so I'm not going to tell you who the winner's going to be,” Robertson said, in apparent reference to CBS humorist Andy Rooney, who turns 89 on Jan. 14.


Or to put it more plainly: "I know something you don't know, nyah-nyah-nyah!"








"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 01/04/2008 05:38:20
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filthy
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  05:54:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On a related matter:


CNet quizzes presidential candidates on technology
Posted on January 3, 2008 by Martin under 2008 election, Congress, Democrats, Internet, Internet commerce, Privacy, Technology, broadband, capitalism, civil liberties, civil rights, corporate governance, economy, free speech, freedom, infrastructure, innovation, intellectual property, net neutrality, progressives, taxation, telecommunications [ Comments: 7 ]

With the war in Iraq, the faltering economy, and health care dominating the issues front for the candidates, it's no wonder technology issues have largely been back-burnered in the mainstream political debate. But that doesn't make them any less relevant or important–or less requiring of coverage.

CNet's Declan McCullagh and Anne Broache sent 10 technology-oriented questions to the candidates, discussing net neutrality, Internet taxation, REAL ID, wiretapping, and other issues, and CNet has published the answers as part of their Technology Voter's Guide. After the jump, we'll take a closer look at who answered (and who didn't), and what they said.

So far, the guide has answers from Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Ron Paul and John McCain, with John Edwards and Chris Dodd's answers still to come. It's worth noting that none of the frontrunner Republican candidates answered this questionnaire–not Romney, Giuliani, or Huckabee. On the Dem side, Neither Biden nor Richardson have a realistic chance of winning the nomination at this point, nor have either of them made technology innovation a primary focus of their campaigns, so their failing to answer is understandable, if regrettable. (Note that CNet apparently didn't bother to include Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel.)

This is very interesting. I'm looking forward to the follow-up.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  06:01:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Huck Win in Iowa

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  08:02:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
To me Romney is vastly preferable to Huck, unless you are a porn store owner in Salt Lake City. As far as Im concerned the woo aspects of Mormons are no more ridiculous than those of any other Christian. The only way to judge them is in how they act towards and interact with those that dont share their beliefs. In my experiences Mormons and the Quakers are the most reasonable and respectable people of faith in America, hell the Mormons got help to New Orleans in half the time the government did, as they have storehouses around the county for just such an event.

Though I will say that Mormons are a bit overprotective of all thing Utah and some do try to infect policy in that state with matters of faith.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 01/04/2008 08:03:42
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marfknox
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  09:41:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
bngbuck, I agree with most of your statements in the OP, except this one:

To say nothing of the undoubted influence of his Mormon faith...
I don't think Romney is influenced by his faith. I think he is a polititian, first and foremost, through and through. His conversion on the abortion issue, for example, seems to be purely a political move. There is no personal explanation, and it was just too convenient politically. I fear Romney as president largely because I have no clue what the hell he'd do, only that I'd probably not like it.

If Huckabee wins my husband and I are applying for residency in another country. I'm not kidding.

"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong

Check out my art store: http://www.marfknox.etsy.com

Edited by - marfknox on 01/04/2008 09:42:19
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Dude
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  10:42:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The problem is not if any of these people are true believers, but what they will do to convince the true believers to vote for them. Most of the politicians who profess some degree of faith are full of shit, they don't beleive, they just use faith as a tool to obtain political power.

But the result is that they must give something back to the lunatics who vote them in, and that is where it gets dangerous to the rest of us. Just look at the SCOTUS right now. Seriously. Then tell me the "faith" (even the obviously fake faith of Romney, Bush-1&2, and Reagan) of political candidates is harmless.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  10:47:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Marf.....

Thanks for your comment. I'll tell you something, I've had a lot of exposure to Mormons. Utah is kind of a social extension of Colorado, but with the weirdness of the Mormon "faith" permeating everything. There's a lot of them in Colorado, including some real nutters living near the state's common border, in little kingdom towns with dozens of wives and hundreds of kids. Illegal in the Church (and the State) but there, nonetheless. One guy has eleven wives!

There's a Temple in Denver that rivals the Tabernacle in Salt Lake. I had several businesses in Denver, and dealt with quite a few high-level Mormons frequently. They are tough as nails, ruthless and merciless in business with no apparent ethics, and their screwball "Faith" infects everything they do. I am totally persuaded that Mutt would be a Mormon president. Money is worshipped way above God, Jesus Christ, or even Joseph Smith or Brigham Young! They have their own rules of ethics and morality, which are totally different from ordinary Christians and generally abhorrent! You and your mate would do well to consider expatriation if Romney wins, as well as Fuckabee! I'll be on the same plane!

With respect to this Huckabee slimeball, there is this from Filthy (edited):
"Newsweek" magazine reported last issue that Huckabee interceded in 1998 when his son David, then 17, was fired from his job as a Boy Scout camp counselor at Camp Pioneer in rural Arkansas after he and a friend were accused of hanging a stray dog by throwing it and a rope over a railing to a 20-foot drop, then -- when that didn't kill it -- slitting its throat, then finally stoning the poor creature to death. The Animal Legal Defense Fund heard about it, got all over the case and asked for a criminal investigation.

The director of the Arkansas State Police at the time, John Bailey, told "Newsweek" he started to look into it, but that Huckabee's chief of staff and personal attorney "leaned on" him to drop the matter. He refused. A few months later, Huckabee fired him. The former FBI chief in Little Rock, one I.C. Smith, corroborates the state police executive's version. He told "Newsweek" Huckabee "without question, was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son."


Huckabee's response to all this is less than convincing. Again using CNN's "Larry King Show" as a forum, he said "categorically, that is absolutely not true. I never used my influence."

He told "Newsweek" the dog was "absolutely, I guess, emaciated" and tried to portray his son's actions as one big misunderstanding and either a mercy killing or almost a matter of self-defense. On CNN he said, "There was a dog that came in. It was mangy. It looked like it was going to attack. He was a staffer at the camp. They put the dog down. They didn't do a good job of talking to the leaders ... there was no criminal activity."


I don't know how tender you are about animals, but that piece makes my blood vaporize. I am currently sending copies of the article to every Animal Protection organization I can find. I contribute substantial sums to some of these folks, and I want my money used to publicize this example of Huckabee's "Christianity" from coast to Coast! I want to see this fucker and his fucking son in jail in a small cell with Michael Vick and four enraged pit bulls!
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filthy
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Posted - 01/04/2008 :  13:23:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Prediction: The Huckamooch will crash & burn in New Hampshire, a state I rather like having lived next door to it for some years. McCain will win there (I'm not sure entirely about that, but pretty much) and Romney will be the GOP Second Fiddle. Rudy will, after bemoaning 9/11 and the lack of attention to it & him ad nauseum, will wither yet farther on the vine and ultimatly drop off into the compost.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 01/04/2008 13:24:15
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