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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/07/2008 :  10:11:26  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm only about halfway through the fascinating Panda's Thumb piece, "ID: Intelligent Design as Imitatio Dei (report on the 2007 ‘Wistar Retrospective Symposium')," but I couldn't wait to share. The author says,
Dembski then asserted that you can't find empirical evidence of the Designer's actions.
But that's precisely the premise of ID: that the evidence for design is everywhere in nature. Design has to be one of the designer's actions (as does implementing designs, like actually creating bacterial flagella).

The statement is also contrary to things like forensic science and SETI, both of which were included in Dembski's examples of current fields relying upon design detection. Criminal forensics, in particular, intends to prove the "designer's" actions through rigid empiricism. And SETI assumes that "designers" will take particular actions and goes to look for evidence of just such actions.

Great stuff. Once again proving Lenny Flank's dictum that to show ID for the inanity that it is, one need simply allow the IDers to keep on talking.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/07/2008 :  10:17:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dangit, just a few paragraphs later is this choice bit, too:
[Ann Gauger] gave what amounted to a second presentation, during which she discussed “leaky growth,” in microbial colonies at high densities, leading to horizontal transfer of genetic information, and announced that under such conditions she had actually found a novel variant that seemed to lead to enhanced colony growth. Gunther Wagner said, “So, a beneficial mutation happened right in your lab?” at which point the moderator halted questioning. We shuffled off for a coffee break with the admission hanging in the air that natural processes could not only produce new information, they could produce beneficial new information.
Just let them keep talking.

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pleco
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Posted - 02/07/2008 :  10:58:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's hoping for another court case where these tidbits can be utilized.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/12/2008 :  09:59:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Lots of tidbits in Florida, too.

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