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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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 Posted - 03/10/2008 : 04:16:42
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The bizarre and almost inexplicable position of many fundamentalist Christians who deny man-man global warming may at last be changing. Leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention have now admitted that their 16 million member church was wrong on the issue: Several prominent leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention said Monday that Baptists have a moral responsibility to combat climate change -- a major shift within a denomination that just last year cast doubt on human responsibility for global warming.
Forty-six influential members of the Southern Baptist Convention, including three of its last four presidents, criticized their denomination in a statement Monday for being "too timid" in confronting global warming.
"Our cautious response to these issues in the face of mounting evidence may be seen by the world as uncaring, reckless and ill-informed," the statement says. "We can do better."
The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, adopted a resolution last year urging Baptists to "proceed cautiously in the human-induced global warming debate in light of conflicting scientific research." The resolution said "many scientists reject the idea of catastrophic human-induced global warming."
On Monday, however, dozens of Southern Baptist leaders expressed a different view.
"There is general agreement among those engaged with this issue in the scientific community," their statement says. "A minority of sincere and respected scientists offer alternate causes for global climate change other than deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels."
The signatories pledged to do their part to fight global warming "without any further lingering over the basic reality of the problem or our responsibility to address it. Humans must be proactive and take responsibility for our contributions to climate change -- big and small." |
About freakin' time!
[Moved to the Religion folder - Dave W.]
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
Edited by - HalfMooner on 03/10/2008 04:26:18
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2008 : 07:23:56 [Permalink]
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It had to come sooner or later; they're not all terminally stupid. I think that if you'd ask the rank & file, you'd find that most of them as well think the climate is changing and our activities have something to do with it.
But as the article clearly shows, Dobson, Bauer & others are indeed terminally stupid.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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the_ignored
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Posted - 06/27/2008 : 13:49:53 [Permalink]
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It seems climate change is more complicated than that; how much is our doing, how much is natural cycles, and how many times has this apparently happened on it's own?
| Roughly 14,700 years ago the weather patterns that bring snow to Greenland shifted from one year to the next#8212;a pattern of abrupt change that was repeated 12,900 years ago and 11,700 years ago when the earth#8217;s climate became the one enjoyed today#8212;according to records preserved in an ice core taken from the northern island. These speedy changes#8212;transitions from warming to cooling and back again#8212;in the absence of changes in greenhouse gas could presage abrupt, catastrophic climate change in our future. |
As for evangelics changing their minds about MMGW? You don't want to know where I found the article.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 06/27/2008 : 14:28:19 [Permalink]
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| "There is general agreement among those engaged with this issue in the scientific community, |
Can't wait for the change of mind re: evolution... |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2008 : 22:16:57 [Permalink]
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I suspect that the denial of MMGW by fundies was part of the package they agreed to when they and the plutocrats (especially the oil interests) joined together to for the historically short-lived NeoCon movement. Now that the NeoCons are pretty much failing everywhere, supporting an essentially non-fundamentalist issue like MMGW denial doesn't give the fundies any payback.
MMGW has never been a really Biblical issue, anyway, so they can ideologically afford to abandon the issue without anyone later being able to point to a verse in Leviticus that says Al Gore is the spawn of Satan.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2008 : 13:20:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I suspect that the denial of MMGW by fundies was part of the package they agreed to when they and the plutocrats (especially the oil interests) joined together to for the historically short-lived NeoCon movement. Now that the NeoCons are pretty much failing everywhere... |
I've suspected this too. I also see the fundamentalist denial of the Big Bang theory originating in their conception of it as a competition for their Genesis creation myth. If they were truly "religious" it would be no bother to them but since their "religion" is actually political behind the trappings, they feel that people who accept Big Bang as a logical theory would also tend to be critical thinkers and not blindly obey fundie religion based political doctrines. (i.e. Join the army to fight and die for America and "Jesus" (i.e. the large corporate interests of your country) "ah men".  |
Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.) |
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Southern Baptist leaders beat a retreat on MMGW
