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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/17/2008 :  11:46:33  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Much interesting stuff over at Living the Scientific Life, especially in the comments.

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filthy
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Posted - 05/17/2008 :  12:57:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good read, Dave. Thanks.

From what I have been given to understand, someone turning his/her back on years of indroctrination, of 'most any sort, is usually pretty traumtic, both for the apostate and all who are even casually aquainted with him. It is made even more difficult in that most if not all of these aquaintences are as deeply indoctrinated as the subject once was, and they can be pretty vicious about it, considering it an insult to their beliefs and by extention, themselves. The back-slider could well be the reciepent of even more hatred than an outright atheist.

But it could be worse; in the mid-east, aposty is punishable by death, which is one reason why there are so few known apostates in that neck of the woods, praise Allah.




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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/17/2008 :  13:11:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
By the way, this Dawkins clip (in comment #5) is still a classic.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 05/17/2008 :  16:36:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pouring over just such de-conversion stories, one blogger attempted to rank the top reasons Christians cite as to why they lost their faith. His findings: "Dissatisfaction with the answers to simple questions proffered by the religion" tied with "religious dogma contradicted observable reality" as the top reasons given.

Interesting, he writes that only a single Christian says talking with an atheist led to their deconversion. He concludes
As atheists we can provide the resources to support people trapped in the religious paradigm, but I think we delude ourselves if we think that we have some kind of role in “shaking up” peoples faith. Ultimately a person has to liberate themselves from religion, it is not for us to assume the role of atheist proselytes.

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