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Dr Shari
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 Posted - 08/18/2002 : 01:05:07
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Snake
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Posted - 08/18/2002 : 01:53:49 [Permalink]
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I don't believe at this point that ET is spending precious time leaving crop circles or kidnapping humans instead of just stopping in and saying HI but if they land on the White House with a rectal probe for Geo W I will not waste my time trying to prove it's a hoax. (I would be sure they were looking for his brain).
Doc!
I agree with anyway, how could anyone not?
But, if nothing else, you are absolutly correct about P. Bush's brain.
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*SAN FERNANDO VALLEY SECESSION - YES
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chainsaw
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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5311 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2002 : 09:58:33 [Permalink]
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People who call themselves skeptics are not necessarily skeptics just because they call themselves skeptics. Some people may be skeptics in some areas, but true believers in other areas.
This should be called military and ex-military atheists association, and not the skeptic friends forum.
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Trish
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Posted - 08/18/2002 : 13:36:12 [Permalink]
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Gorgo, your showing again. Yes there are a lot of military and prior military here - so. I never 'fell-in' with most of the people I knew in the military - much the same as with most of those I know in the civilian community.
Dr Shari,
I'm afraid you've gotten a narrowed perception of what a skeptic is. Yes a skeptic generally relies on the evidence of a situation, however, all of that filters through our life experiences, no matter that we'd choose to leave them behind. It's because of those filters and being aware that they are present that I am more capable of reaching certain decisions without thinking that I've somehow colored that decision with some preconception. But, being a skeptic does not point that everyone will perceive the same subject in the same fashion.
As far as gays in the military - I don't want to know if someone is gay. But it's damned uncomfortable when your roommate is in bed with someone else. There is no privacy as Solly has pointed out. Though, my issue isn't so much with the concept of 50 women in a shower and which ones are gays and are they watching me, but rather with having to walk in on one of my roommates in bed with someone else. BTW, this has happened, both with hetero and homosexual roommates. It's not fun, and it makes for an uncomfortable environment simply because you're left to wonder whether you should go 'home' right after a 16-20 hour day or whether you should have someone knock on the door first and make sure it's clear. IMO, it's more likely to happen where there are gays for the simple fact, that it's more difficult to tell whether it's someone stopping by to watch a movie or for something else. There are concerns with the military that you have never had to face in the civilian community - primarily that of the lack of privacy. I'm not saying that this will be rampant in the military, just that it can and might be more prevalant because it is harder to detect.
But the presumption is that if someone is a skeptic means they should hold certain viewpoints, I think the point of skepticism has been missed. Now, the better approach would be to lay out why you think your position is better and point by point argue for your position without attacking the person for holding a different position than you.
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Gorgo
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Posted - 08/18/2002 : 13:56:17 [Permalink]
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Is this more of that military talk. The PCB said to the BJK, "your showing again." What is my showing, and what is it doing again?
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Gorgo, your showing again.
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Gorgo
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Posted - 08/18/2002 : 13:59:54 [Permalink]
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Which definition is everyone using?
1. One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions. 2. One inclined to skepticism in religious matters. 3. Philosophy a. often Skeptic An adherent of a school of skepticism. b. Skeptic A member of an ancient Greek school of skepticism, especially that of Pyrrho of Elis (360?–272? b.c.).
"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn |
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Trish
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Posted - 08/18/2002 : 18:55:37 [Permalink]
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Is this more of that military talk. The PCB said to the BJK, "your showing again." What is my showing, and what is it doing again?
Well, let's see. A pre-judgement of those who are or were in the military. Or maybe, your apparent dislike of the military in general. I think you can get the meaning now, no?
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Trish
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Posted - 08/18/2002 : 18:57:26 [Permalink]
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Which definition is everyone using?
1. One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions. 2. One inclined to skepticism in religious matters. 3. Philosophy a. often Skeptic An adherent of a school of skepticism. b. Skeptic A member of an ancient Greek school of skepticism, especially that of Pyrrho of Elis (360?–272? b.c.).
It's not so much the definition, as the conclusions drawn about skeptics having a specific view of political and social issues. Being skeptical, does not mean agreeing with everything another skeptic says should be the skeptic viewpoint. Can there be such a thing as a skeptic viewpoint?
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Snake
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Posted - 08/18/2002 : 23:53:28 [Permalink]
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Is this more of that military talk. The PCB said to the BJK, "your showing again." What is my showing, and what is it doing again?
Well, let's see. A pre-judgement of those who are or were in the military. Or maybe, your apparent dislike of the military in general. I think you can get the meaning now, no?
Gorgo dislikes the military?!!! Well, all right. Hi 5, Gorgo. I'm with you.
Never could understand why someone would volunteer to be confined like that. And ordered around. Don't care for the fighting either. Although I understand the need for it, at times.
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*Carabao forever
*SAN FERNANDO VALLEY SECESSION - YES
*All lives are movie settings, it's what channel you're on that counts. Zatikia
*Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand.
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Gorgo
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Posted - 08/19/2002 : 03:42:55 [Permalink]
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No. I can't recall any time where I expressed judgment, pre or post about anyone here on this forum, and I certainly have told no one that I dislike them. I've been confused by behaviors, but I haven't formed those kinds of judgments or opinions. This is hardly the kind of place where one can get to know another person, so I understand that we are limited in what we can know. I cannot recall meeting anyone I don't like. There are people I certainly don't want to hang around, but that's certainly no insult to anyone. There are people I like a great deal that I don't want to spend a lot of time with. Yes, I like some more than others.
I've only expressed admiration for people in the military.
Having said that, of course, some of the behaviors I see expressed here, again which I know are presented in a sort of unreal fashion, tend to make me wonder if the military must be some sort of cult. People here, not just military, but especially military, seem to be emotionally attached to their opinions. This doesn't lend itself to open-mindedness at all.
I say seem, again, because I know this is a two-dimensional picture.
It seems you've pre-judged me.
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Trish
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Posted - 08/19/2002 : 11:15:47 [Permalink]
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This should be called military and ex-military atheists association, and not the skeptic friends forum.
Perhaps then I misread this? There's alread a Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers Gorgo. I saw this as your saying or implying that military atheists can also not be skeptical according to your point of view. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Gorgo
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Posted - 08/19/2002 : 11:23:49 [Permalink]
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I think military atheists can be skeptics. What is your definition of skeptic? Can people be skeptical of things that they have an emotional committment to believe?
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Perhaps then I misread this? There's alread a Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers Gorgo. I saw this as your saying or implying that military atheists can also not be skeptical according to your point of view. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Trish
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Posted - 08/19/2002 : 11:28:22 [Permalink]
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I think military atheists can be skeptics. What is your definition of skeptic? Can people be skeptical of things that they have an emotional committment to believe?
What emotional committment to believe? I have to have an emotional commitment to the military to decide that civic duties take a precedence? Yeah, I think they can to some extent - especially when they use skepticism as one of their filters to see if there is a reason beyond the emotional for their committment.
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Gorgo
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Posted - 08/19/2002 : 12:15:42 [Permalink]
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Civic duties take a precedence over what? What are civic duties? Trying to keep our elected officials from committing crimes or helping them to commit crimes?
Trying to keep people like Saddam Hussein from being powerful, or helping the U.S. administration make him powerful? What are your duties?
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What emotional committment to believe? I have to have an emotional commitment to the military to decide that civic duties take a precedence? Yeah, I think they can to some extent - especially when they use skepticism as one of their filters to see if there is a reason beyond the emotional for their committment.
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Snake
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Posted - 08/20/2002 : 00:14:15 [Permalink]
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No. I can't recall any time where I expressed judgment, pre or post about anyone here on this forum, and I certainly have told no one that I dislike them
Ok, sorry for trying to agree with you Gorgo when they weren't your thoughts.
My idea of the military is that they cause distruction and pain and suffering. And the US military causes too much tax burden. So if you don't want to agree with me that's ok.
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*SAN FERNANDO VALLEY SECESSION - YES
*All lives are movie settings, it's what channel you're on that counts. Zatikia
*Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand.
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