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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Originally posted by Renae
I forgot one important kind of abuse: spiritual abuse, like what my great-grandmother went though.
I no longer think you're another Bible-waving woman-hating nut job. If you truly believe the archaic nonsense you post, you're a dangerous man.
This is why I think he's a troll. There's a certain pattern to verlch's rants. When conversations get to be too dull for him, he frequently pulls out this line of thinking where the cause of all his woes are free-thinking women who make him pay alimony, child support, etc-- all posts certain to generate lots of angry replies. And when that turns old, he throw out other stand-bys: evolution is a lie; Catholics are really pagans; masons rule the world; and so on.
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 08:19:35 [Permalink]
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ConsequentAtheist wrote:quote:
Who?
Good question. I've spent the better part of this morning trying to track the quote down, and have been unable to do so. I know I read it between four and ten years ago (or so), but that's all my memory can come up with.
I was able to find similar thoughts, but not the exact quote. For example, whoever wrote this article says,Thinking outside the box apart from being able to think inside the box is worthless. And Terry Pratchett apparently wrote:I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it. But, back to your question: does it really matter? |
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verlch
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 10:16:49 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Renae
I forgot one important kind of abuse: spiritual abuse, like what my great-grandmother went though.
I no longer think you're another Bible-waving woman-hating nut job. If you truly believe the archaic nonsense you post, you're a dangerous man.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 10:58:17 [Permalink]
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I'm still being ignored.
Posted - 09/19/2004 : 00:02:52 Absurdities of the Chruch
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Verlch, are you now supporting the Catholic Church's interpretation of God's will or do you think they may have it wrong? It's the church that decided wheat was needed. In fact, where in the Bible does it even say that particular Catholic ritual is required? The Catholics came up with these rituals well after anything was written in the New Testament if I am not mistaken.
And a few other comments I posted to Verlch were ignored about his/her (I assume his from the nature of the posts) feelings of seeking revenge because we don't believe him. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 11:23:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I'm still being ignored.
Posted - 09/19/2004 : 00:02:52 Absurdities of the Chruch
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Verlch, are you now supporting the Catholic Church's interpretation of God's will or do you think they may have it wrong? It's the church that decided wheat was needed. In fact, where in the Bible does it even say that particular Catholic ritual is required? The Catholics came up with these rituals well after anything was written in the New Testament if I am not mistaken.
And a few other comments I posted to Verlch were ignored about his/her (I assume his from the nature of the posts) feelings of seeking revenge because we don't believe him.
But, of course. Actually responding to them would be a distraction to the condesending manner in which he posts to females in general and others who don't believe his holiness. And of course, he's ignoring you because you are
1) presenting a clear conflict in his own stream of hatred
2) an intelligent (although he might call it uppity) woman
3) shows the lack of understanding he has for his own branch of radical fundamentalism
But hey, it's a much different planet he lives on. One where bats don't have eyes, atoms are wholly constructed of neutrons orbited by protons and electrons, and womenfolk should be subserviant, "barefoot and pregnant" types.
Scary, unscientific place he lives in.
But he'll probably just call me a metrosexual again. Or claim I follow Mammon again.
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verlch
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 12:03:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
I'm still being ignored.
Posted - 09/19/2004 : 00:02:52 Absurdities of the Chruch
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Verlch, are you now supporting the Catholic Church's interpretation of God's will or do you think they may have it wrong? It's the church that decided wheat was needed. In fact, where in the Bible does it even say that particular Catholic ritual is required? The Catholics came up with these rituals well after anything was written in the New Testament if I am not mistaken.
And a few other comments I posted to Verlch were ignored about his/her (I assume his from the nature of the posts) feelings of seeking revenge because we don't believe him.
I think the early christian church became papal. Started worshiping status, or graven images, of saints and was influenced by pagan rituals. Even the church in Rome will tell you the truth. Some in the past have said, they are God on earth. They have risen above the word of God and able to change the day of worship from saturday to sunday!!!
Just remember:
We battle not against flesh and blood.... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Siberia
SFN Addict
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 13:52:26 [Permalink]
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I think the early christian church became papal.
Typical. That was the last straw missing for typical Protestant Fundie Philosophy(tm). |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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ConsequentAtheist
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 16:26:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
But, back to your question: does it really matter?
Does it really matter? Of course not. But I've long lost track of the topic of this thread. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 18:29:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
But, back to your question: does it really matter?
Does it really matter? Of course not. But I've long lost track of the topic of this thread.
Heh, a verlch thread has no topic. I think that's the charm of them and why I continue to follow them. There's no telling where you'll end up and invarably some good stuff get's posted amongst the madness. 
Beskeptial, you might as well get used to being ignored by verlch. He does it to us all.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 20:06:43 [Permalink]
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ConsequentAtheist wrote:quote:
Does it really matter? Of course not.
Perhaps I should have dropped the "really."
[Shrug] In my experience, your one-word replies are usually intended to prompt other people to post more of whatever it was they'd posted, followed by more terse replies from you, eventually eliciting from you a pointed, topical explanation with much explanatory power and with which many of us will agree, after which the rest of us bang our heads on our keyboards thinking "why didn't CA just say that in the first place?"
And so, by asking me for the source of one quote, I guessed that (A) you knew who said it, (B) believed that the source of the quote would have some relevance to what either verlch or I had said. I made several attempts at figuring this out for myself, and failed.
You're right that "of course" it doesn't really matter, but did it matter at all?quote:
But I've long lost track of the topic of this thread.
From post one, this thread has been about verlch's claims, which covers a whole lot of ground. There's not much to "keep track" of. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 20:39:15 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
From post one, this thread has been about verlch's claims, which covers a whole lot of ground. There's not much to "keep track" of.
Right, Dave. But the direction of the thread is typical. As has been clear for months, verlch couldn't care less if his "assertions" can be backed up with facts. Hell, he doesn't care if they even follow the simple rules of logic!
Instead, we get his mindless rants wherein he avoids dealing with the topic at hand and turns to insulting women or issuing new (unsupportable) challenges.
I'd avoid him completely except I feel obligated (for whatever reason) to correct his stupid misstatements regarding the ancient Near East. Not so he'd correct his own statements, mind you, but so the Skeptic Friends and lurkers wouldn't be duped by whatever the fuck he has to say. (And then, would anyone here actually be duped? Not likely...) |
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verlch
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 23:43:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
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I think the early christian church became papal.
Typical. That was the last straw missing for typical Protestant Fundie Philosophy(tm).
Than came mr Darwin!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 02:59:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Siberia
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I think the early christian church became papal.
Typical. That was the last straw missing for typical Protestant Fundie Philosophy(tm).
Than came mr Darwin!!!
Yes indeed! And biological science was changed forever!
Beyond that, what's your point?
By the bye, verlch, A little while back, I came up with some trees older than 2,000 years by millions (Jurassic and Cretatious). As you seem so fond of fossil trees, I was expecting comment on them. Thus far, not a word. WTF, did you miss the post? If so, I'll look them up again and perhaps find some older ones.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 06:23:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
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Originally posted by Dave W.
But, back to your question: does it really matter?
Does it really matter? Of course not. But I've long lost track of the topic of this thread.
Heh, a verlch thread has no topic. I think that's the charm of them and why I continue to follow them. There's no telling where you'll end up and invarably some good stuff get's posted amongst the madness.
Beskeptial, you might as well get used to being ignored by verlch. He does it to us all.
Now, filth. verlch threads do have topics, it's just that it ranges so far afield as he gets blasted from position to position. When he is clearly loosing a point, he changes the subject. And we follow along through a morbid sense of curiosity of where the little loon is going next.
He is a virtual plethora of Fundie thought.
I'm just waiting for the day he claims to have seen a 900 foot Jesus. |
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 07:41:48 [Permalink]
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I would like to thank Verlich for gracing this board, he is so just so damn amusing. His outlandish views are really more like a satire than anything else. He is to fundies what Archie Bunker was to racists. His 'command' of the english language is even reminiscent of Archie's.
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