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gm137
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 Posted - 06/19/2004 : 07:13:58
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http://www.oxygenstore.net/oxywater.htm
I came across this site by accident, and ended up reading the whole thing with a sort of horrified fascination. Obviously, the whole thing is scientifically dubious (12 - 15% oxygen in cities? A lotta dead people then), but worse than that, the clowns behind this are deliberately using vague but impressive sounding phrases to flog a product that is useless unless you have gills (or want a higher class of burp). I know there are thousands of companies like this out there , but this one seemed particularly striking because it relies on the consuming public knowing less science than the average 14 year old is required to take in - and it seems to be doing a roaring trade. That worries me.
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The name's Bond; Ionic bond. |
Edited by - gm137 on 06/19/2004 07:15:57
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filthy
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Posted - 06/19/2004 : 09:05:02 [Permalink]
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Of course.
An all too high percentage of the consuming public, addicted to being spoon-fed their thoughts through the popular media, actually does know less science than the 14 year old is required to learn. Alas, even that 14 year old may well forget that science only a few years later. Religion and psuedo-science are so much prettier to the uninquiring mind.
Thus, the dishonest become fat.
Edited to change it around a bit. |
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Dude
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Posted - 06/19/2004 : 14:40:50 [Permalink]
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My 10 year-old daughter is oxygen-deficient due to a heart & lung condition. I've put Oxy-Up in soup (yes, it can be boiled!), beverages, and in her breakfast cereal. I've tested her with a pulse-oximeter and seen the oxygen saturation of her blood increase dramatically!
wow.... I'd like to be the lawyer for the person who believes this crap and uses this stuff on one of their kids as a medical treatment.....
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You can survive for three weeks without food, three days without water and only minutes without oxygen. One hundred years ago, our air contained 32% oxygen.
rofl
And this one is possibly my favorite snip from the site....
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Oxy-Up provides stable, molecularly bonded oxygen.
A team of scientists and professionals worked for eight years to develop
a completely unique and proprietary method of bonding oxygen to water molecules. Where others dissolve oxygen into a bottle, our unique product provides a stable and molecularly bonded source of oxygen.
Any highschoold student who has taken a basic chemistry class should be able to debunk this one in about 30 seconds....
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/19/2004 : 19:55:02 [Permalink]
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Dude wrote:quote:
Any highschoold student who has taken a basic chemistry class should be able to debunk this one in about 30 seconds....
Yeah, H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide. Or are they bonding molecular oxygen to water and coming up with H2O3 (is that even possible)? Ozone and H2O4? |
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Dude
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/19/2004 : 22:06:21 [Permalink]
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http://msds.pdc.cornell.edu/msds/msdsdod/a73/m36351.htm#Section3
Same for H2O4.... |
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-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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gm137
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Posted - 06/19/2004 : 23:22:18 [Permalink]
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Reminds me of Sprinfields' Dr Nick : "H3O: the wettest water you ever tasted".
H2O3 itself is not toxic - it's a higher hydride of water, and is an intermediate in some aqueous reactions- but the chemical industry often uses H2O3 as 'shorthand' for maleic anhydride (C4H2O3), a nice and toxic plasticiser.
I've found this quite a bit with this sort of company - the 'science' behind their claims often relys on transitory, unstable intermediates being stored or transported intact round the body. Unfortunately, as the gushing 'customer comment' cited by Dude shows, the customer is ready to accept this on faith. I just feel sorry for the daughter. |
The name's Bond; Ionic bond. |
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Dude
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Posted - 06/20/2004 : 12:57:16 [Permalink]
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Thanks gm137, that maleic anhydride reference was the only thing I could find on the web with H2O3 as the search phrase.
The H2O4 thing may also be a shorthand reference for a longer chemical name as well?
bah.... I need to learn more chemistry. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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gm137
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Posted - 06/21/2004 : 08:59:13 [Permalink]
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As far as I know, H2O4 is more 'industrial shorthand', this time for oxalic acid (HOOCCOOH),a rust remover,which is very toxic (it's a salt of this stuff that makes rhubarb leaves poisonous). Perhaps our customer'll be serving some of that to her 10-year old daughter as well?
Incidentally, all this ambiguity stems from the accepted practice in synthetic chemistry of drawing C-C bonds as lines, instead of using the element's symbol. This is useful when you're designing polymers containing thousand-carbon chains, but is less helpful when it comes to writing out molecular formulae. |
The name's Bond; Ionic bond. |
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Dude
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Posted - 06/21/2004 : 11:40:44 [Permalink]
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Cool, thanks for the info :)
It's been 14 years since my last chemistry class! Which was a freshman level general chemistry class at the local college.
Back in school now (after a nice 10 year break) and I forsee alot of chemistry in my future as a biochem/molecular biology major. Beating myself with the dumb-stick at the moment for not bothering with an AA (have two seperate AS) when I was in school last time...(which is not really relevent to chemistry or the topic of this thread.... lol)
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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satans_mom
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/27/2004 : 17:09:35 [Permalink]
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quote:
My 10 year-old daughter is oxygen-deficient due to a heart & lung condition. I've put Oxy-Up in soup (yes, it can be boiled!), beverages, and in her breakfast cereal. I've tested her with a pulse-oximeter and seen the oxygen saturation of her blood increase dramatically!
That's really cute, however, I don't believe this is an actual quote.
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Yo mama's so fat, she's on both sides of the family.
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Terryt88
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Posted - 06/27/2004 : 22:25:29 [Permalink]
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That site reminds me of that Mel Brooks movie "Spaceballs."
He's sniffing cans of air that he has in his desk drawer. 
I gotta watch that movie again someday.  |
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Rowan
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Posted - 07/16/2004 : 22:32:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Of course.
An all too high percentage of the consuming public, addicted to being spoon-fed their thoughts through the popular media, actually does know less science than the 14 year old is required to learn. Alas, even that 14 year old may well forget that science only a few years later. Religion and psuedo-science are so much prettier to the uninquiring mind.
Thus, the dishonest become fat.
Edited to change it around a bit.
He filthy, what about those of us dolts whocan't understand anything outside of the english language?Refers to your sig. |
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Renae
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Posted - 07/17/2004 : 06:17:08 [Permalink]
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I am SO not a science person (high school Chemistry made me weep, although I did earn an A). I do, however, read a lot. And I've always asked the "Why" questions.
So some questions from the Why Child who never totally grew up...
Even if they managed to put more oxygen into water, how would we utilize it, unless we inhaled it into our lungs?
Is it actually true that oxygen levels have gone down in cities? If so, why?
Finally, aren't hyperbaric (spelled wrong on the site) oxygen chambers for very sick people, not for rich foolish people? I've heard of oxygen "bars" where you breathe straight oxygen, but isn't this harmful long-term (ie free radicals, etc.)? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/17/2004 : 07:43:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rowan
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Originally posted by filthy
Of course.
An all too high percentage of the consuming public, addicted to being spoon-fed their thoughts through the popular media, actually does know less science than the 14 year old is required to learn. Alas, even that 14 year old may well forget that science only a few years later. Religion and psuedo-science are so much prettier to the uninquiring mind.
Thus, the dishonest become fat.
Edited to change it around a bit.
He filthy, what about those of us dolts whocan't understand anything outside of the english language?Refers to your sig.
What it is, I've once again rebuilt part of my battered, old rat of a motorcycle ('46 HD 'U' model) and I've gone with an ancient Roman motief. That is now hand-letered on the tank and I thought it'd make a neat sig as well.
And the deal is that I will give a medium-decent cigar to the first in my M/C club to translate it. Heh, some of those guys haven't been in the library, ever. And likely those Latin texts haven't seen the light of day in decades!
In short, I ain't gonna tell ya, at least not until someone wins the cigar! 
Wanna try it?
Edited to add that the aforementioned motorcycle hasn't been washed in lo, this quarter century. I'm very proud of it.
Further edited to add; welcome to SFN! Hope you enjoy the ride. |
"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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rickm
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Posted - 07/17/2004 : 09:29:47 [Permalink]
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