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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 07/13/2004 : 08:32:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by Ricky
I think any postponement of the election should be left solely up to congress, the President should get no say in it whatsoever. This is the only way I would ever agree with the postponement of an election, and I may still not then.
It is my understanding that this is the case. The congress sets the date of elections through US code http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/3/1.html by authority of the constitution:
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Article. II.
Section. 1.
Clause 4: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
From memory, so let me know if I am wrong, the electors are counted on January 6th in the Senate. So as long as congress changes the date we vote and kept the January 6th date for counting the electors, and as long as the President is sworn in on January 20th, has democracy been denied?
Again, I would be very uncomfortable if the elections were postponed.
This would be the only legal way to do it, however Ridge and the rest of the Bush gang are looking at a way to unilaterally do it from the Executive branch. That's what makes me very skittish. |
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Robb
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 08:41:11 [Permalink]
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This would be the only legal way to do it, however Ridge and the rest of the Bush gang are looking at a way to unilaterally do it from the Executive branch. That's what makes me very skittish.
I agree. I would not support him doing this. |
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 09:05:08 [Permalink]
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Considering all the planning to get poor people to the polling stations via busses and the like I see a move like postponing the elections without a significant reason like the western half of the USA being blown off the real purpose would possibly be the disenfranchise people. From what I have seen the administration do thus far, I would see this as being the real purpose. If they had the new date beforehand they could plan well ahead and get a jump on the competition. Sound farfetched? I think an attack large enough to warrant postponing an election is at least as farfetched. I believe elections have been postponed regionally or locally but nationally? It would take something huge. What would make the most sense and would enable more Americans to vote is having the elections take place over 3 days or so like much of the world does.
Keep in mind that they don't even need to know the new date of an election. Just knowing it was going to be postponed would be a huge advantage. It takes a lot of planning and preparation to hold an election and for one side to throw in a phony postponement would seriously disrupt the entire process.
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Ricky
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 17:17:50 [Permalink]
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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5660631
Somebody says there will be no postponing of elections.... to bad they aren't anyone with power.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 02:24:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
I think a lot of the terrorists want Bush out of the White House just as much as we do. Maybe we should explain to them that if they attack, he has a greater chance of winning the election. They probably wouldn't attack then....
On the contrary! I think, from a muslim fundamentalist point of view, GW Bush is the best thing that ever happened to them. He gives them a clear target to focus their propaganda on. He is their version of Anti-christ (mine too by the way), the one to be opposed at every turn..
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 15:02:20 [Permalink]
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Some clarification:
Apparently it was the new EAC who asked Ridge/Ashcroft if there was any federal authority to postpone an election.
To which I can only reply, they only reason I can think of for postponign an election is full out neclear war in which every citizen of the US is under a specific threat at the exact same time.
Why the hell would a terrorist bomb in, say NYC, create a need to delay elections in FL? |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 06:51:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Some clarification:
Apparently it was the new EAC who asked Ridge/Ashcroft if there was any federal authority to postpone an election.
To which I can only reply, they only reason I can think of for postponign an election is full out neclear war in which every citizen of the US is under a specific threat at the exact same time.
Why the hell would a terrorist bomb in, say NYC, create a need to delay elections in FL?
Do you recall the recent Spanish election? It appears the election was literally reversed after the bombing. Is that a fair representation of the will of the people or did they vote based on anger and sorrow and perhaps regret it afterwards. Would the result have been different if the election had been delayed? Impossible to say of course, but the results of the election were stunningly different than the results predicted by opinion polls just days earlier.
I firmly believe a terrorist bombing a week before the election would cause many who are on the fense to rally around the incumbent president. That would not be a good thing. If it meant the difference between keeping GW and booting him, I'd support a delay, even though I don't trust this administration one bit. The current administration has been undermining our democracy from the get-go and it wouldn't surprise me too much to see them try to take it all the way.  |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 07:44:10 [Permalink]
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As everyone here knows, I've been on Bush's case since before the bastard slimed his way into office. After that disaster, if I had believed in any sort of a god, I'd have prayed for him being a one-termer and indeed, I predicted it. When 9-11 went down, it crossed my mind then that the '04 election might get postponed or even canceled. Deja fucking vu!
As it currently is, I don't think it's gonna happen. Nobody nuzzles up to the polls like this administration, and support just is not there, terrorists or no. I've read that our chickenhawk leaders have backed away from the idea like it was a rattlesnake, and well they should.
I would like to join Dr. Thompson in gnawing on Bush's skull.
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 13:34:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
"I believe elections have been postponed regionally or locally but nationally? It would take something huge."
Something huge? Like say, for example, 9/11? Now I am against postponing the elections just as much as anyone else, but I don't think we would really have a choice, would we? I mean, say there is another plane attack on NYC or Washington D.C. I don't know about you guys, but where I lived, life pretty much came to a halt when that happend. Litterally. I would imagine it would be the same, voting day or no voting day.
There was an election in my district on 9/11/2001. It came off as planned. In fact, since I don't have a TV and headed off to the poll first thing- before hitting the 'net- it was at the polling place that I learned what had happened.
About the only perceptible effect that an atrocity 3000 miles to the East had on the poll was that the kindly geezers who run the place had a TV on so they could keep up with the news.
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