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R.Wreck
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Posted - 08/22/2004 :  15:46:30  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
I first heard of this via a news story about using a stunt helicopter pilot to snag the craft after re-entry:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20040820-9999-1n20stunt.html

Sounded pretty cool, so I checked out the project:

http://genesismission.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/index.html

They hope to capture particles from the solar wind to find out more about the conditions under which the planets formed.

About the name, Genesis:

quote:
It is not NASA's role to address theological questions or interpretations, and Genesis' investigation will be studied as a scientific question, not a theological one.


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satans_mom
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Posted - 08/22/2004 :  20:28:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send satans_mom an AOL message  Send satans_mom a Yahoo! Message Send satans_mom a Private Message
Hey, that's really interesting!

Ha, what are those crazy guys at NASA going to think up NEXT?!?

Lunar circuses?

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Maverick
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Posted - 08/24/2004 :  04:15:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Maverick a Private Message
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It is not NASA's role to address theological questions or interpretations, and Genesis' investigation will be studied as a scientific question, not a theological one.

This was a reply to the question of whether they tried to prove or disprove the Bible. I find it silly to ask such a question. Don't we already have more answers through astronomy and cosmology than there are in the bible, and correct ones, too? Why are people still worried about the bible being incorrect, when we've known for some time that it's just ridiculous compared to science?

"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan
Edited by - Maverick on 08/24/2004 04:18:26
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/08/2004 :  10:01:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
Genesis is effectively over. It's parachutes apparrently failed to deploy and it made a hole in the Utah desert. They are trying to find out if the experiment was damaged. (Likely because it cracked open)

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/08/2004 :  11:32:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Nah the experiment used the least dense material ever made to capture the particles. The material is like thin glass and would shatter into a thousand peices on impact, theyll be lucky if the material isnt just dust.

Personally I think it was an act of God ;)
Seriously though I think the name choice was inappropriate.

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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 09/08/2004 :  14:49:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Seriously though I think the name choice was inappropriate.


You dislike Phil Collins?


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Edited by - H. Humbert on 09/08/2004 14:50:25
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Dude
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Posted - 09/08/2004 :  16:46:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
It's parachutes apparrently failed to deploy and it made a hole in the Utah desert.


bummer....

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tomk80
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Posted - 09/09/2004 :  02:37:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message
Courtesy to Mystermystery on Christianforums:

http://anon.nasa-global.speedera.net/anon.nasa-global/genesis/genesis.mov

Tom

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/09/2004 :  08:24:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

Genesis is effectively over. It's parachutes apparrently failed to deploy and it made a hole in the Utah desert. They are trying to find out if the experiment was damaged. (Likely because it cracked open)

I'm surprised at the minimal impact crater. I'd expected something bigger.

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/09/2004 :  10:19:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

Genesis is effectively over. It's parachutes apparrently failed to deploy and it made a hole in the Utah desert. They are trying to find out if the experiment was damaged. (Likely because it cracked open)

I'm surprised at the minimal impact crater. I'd expected something bigger.
[/quote]

It only hit at 309 Kph. (109 MPH) The spacecraft was designed to survive re-entry. A sudden stop in what appears to be sand seemed to further soften the blow slightly.

It's still busted up inside, though.

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AutomaticSlim
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Posted - 09/09/2004 :  14:28:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send AutomaticSlim a Private Message
Here's a post from a creationist forum about the Genesis crash:

>>>SPACE CAPSULE GENESIS CRASHES DISAPPOINTING EVOLUTIONIST
The $260 million space project, Genesis, aiming at discounting the Biblical account of creation, has crashed. This brings down an effort to try and bolster the theory of evolution.

The Associated Press reported,The Genesis space capsule, which promised scientists potential clues to the origin of the solar system, crashed to Earth on Wednesday after its parachute failed to deploy. It wasn't immediately known whether cosmic samples it was carrying back as part of a six-year, $260 million project had been destroyed. NASA officials believed the fragile disks that held the atoms would shatter even if the capsule hit the ground with a parachute.

This dashes the hope of many scientists as they try to fight against a growing number of scientist who are rejecting the philosophy of evolution. They are left to struggle with the question of how the intelligent design of everything from the atom to the solar system was created without intelligence.


Moody Adams News
>>>END
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tomk80
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Posted - 09/10/2004 :  06:51:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message
According to the New York times, some of the collector plates seemed to be intact, while others were pulverized. NASA still has it's hopes up to get 'some good science' out of the Genesis mission.

Tom

`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Caroll-
Edited by - tomk80 on 09/10/2004 06:51:45
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 09/10/2004 :  12:53:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
They should have used the balloons to land it that the Mars rovers used. That would have made fun pictures. This mornings news is most of the material was recoverable. Do you suppose the literal Bible folks will go with the conspiracy to change the data theory now?

The idea NASA would be interested in testing creation over evolution, how ludicrous.
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