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filthy
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 10/05/2004 :  07:52:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Chippewa

quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Pay attention; without doubt, there would be no knowledge!



Yup. Another way to put it: There's no knowledge without doubt.

And related to that, people who commit stupid or even monstrous acts have certainty without ever consulting doubt.

Come to think of it Chip, that just might be the way he phrased it. Knowledge without doubt. Sounds right, though it was a lot of years ago.

Mr. Godwin was a wizard checkers player as well as being something of a shade-tree philosopher and naturalist. I never knew him to be beaten, and lots, including myself multiple times, tried.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Chippewa
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USA
1496 Posts

Posted - 10/05/2004 :  11:44:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Chippewa's Homepage Send Chippewa a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
...Mr. Godwin was a wizard checkers player as well as being something of a shade-tree philosopher and naturalist. I never knew him to be beaten, and lots, including myself multiple times, tried.


The world needs more people like that.

Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.

"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.)
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 10/18/2004 :  22:29:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/statue_of_liberty.html

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 10/18/2004 :  22:35:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/statue_of_liberty.html




Watching the power play!

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/cfr.html

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 10/19/2004 :  03:21:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Verlch, you never fail to amaze me. The sites you come up with are truly astonishing. Tney should be recccommended reading for all skeptics.

But I ask: what does the Masonic symbol on the Statue of Liberty have to do with anything? Indeed, what does it have to do with anything anywhere, other than identifying the membership of an object's creator?

Hmph. Some secret scoiety that one is, plastering their signature all over everywhere. If you're going to have a decent, world domination conspiricy going, you need to avoid attention at all costs, at least until you're ready to strike.

But could it be that there is no conspiricy, at least none involving the Masons as an order?


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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furshur
SFN Regular

USA
1536 Posts

Posted - 10/19/2004 :  05:38:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Verlich old man, welcome back! Your humor is like a breath of fresh air.



If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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verlch
SFN Regular

781 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  19:23:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

Verlch, you never fail to amaze me. The sites you come up with are truly astonishing. Tney should be recccommended reading for all skeptics.

But I ask: what does the Masonic symbol on the Statue of Liberty have to do with anything? Indeed, what does it have to do with anything anywhere, other than identifying the membership of an object's creator?

Hmph. Some secret scoiety that one is, plastering their signature all over everywhere. If you're going to have a decent, world domination conspiricy going, you need to avoid attention at all costs, at least until you're ready to strike.

But could it be that there is no conspiricy, at least none involving the Masons as an order?





Well I don't know, I spoke with a mason the other day. I knew things from the websites, confirmed by a true mason, that where true. Thus giving these websites truth on those matters. I don't think they care about who knows what, because they can make you look silly for giving ear to these doctrine. Good advertisment if you ask me. They are in total control that they don't care who knows what or anything at all!

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  19:39:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Well I don't know, I spoke with a mason the other day. I knew things from the websites, confirmed by a true mason, that where true.


Verlch, you have to understand, one person saying so doesn't make it true. 100 people saying so doesn't make it true. An infinite amount of people just saying so doesn't make it true.

quote:
I don't think they care about who knows what, because they can make you look silly for giving ear to these doctrine.


They have succeeded.

Verlch, are you saying the Masons made what they did so crazy that no one would believe in what they did without looking like a fool? If so, Occam's Razor has just cut off your head.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  20:58:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
verlch.......

can you atleast cut back on the pondwater?


....

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9677 Posts

Posted - 10/26/2004 :  21:33:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Someone is pulling Verlch's leg, and he's doing it right.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder.
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furshur
SFN Regular

USA
1536 Posts

Posted - 10/27/2004 :  08:42:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
quote:
Someone is pulling Verlch's leg, and he's doing it right.

You got that right, doc. If I am laying brick and some clown (especially the GC) starts asking me off the wall questions about masons I sure as hell would jerk him around. It would sort of break-up the day...



If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9677 Posts

Posted - 10/27/2004 :  12:50:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Furshur, I just read a part of your signature. That quote from Ferdinand Magellan, "...I have more faith in the shadow than in the church." must surely mean that Magellan was a devil-worshiper. And he had the whole world believing that the world was round as a ball, and not round as a pancake. Even though there is evidence that the world is flat. The ground is flat, isn't it? Anyone looking at a surface of water can see that.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder.
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 11/22/2004 :  16:17:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
http://www.memes.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3652

What's going to happen in 21 years? Twenty years ago Reagan, 20 before that Kennedy, 20 before that WWII 20 before that WWI. Hmmm seems as though wierd things are happening! Perhaps they will place two eternal flames within circles on the spots of the WTC! The same ones Princess Di, JFK enjoy!

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 11/22/2004 :  18:33:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Maybe verlch is actually the author of all these nutbag websites he keeps posting here, he just uses his time between visits to SFN to make up a new site....

He has a genious plan to generate income from google ads and such, and just uses his drive-by posts here to increase traffic at his nutty conspiracy sites!



.....





..... well, this IS the conspiracy theory folder isn't it?


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 11/22/2004 :  19:10:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Thats a good theory Dude, but it would require verlch to know how to make web sites. Seeing as how he can't even make a decent argument, I fail to see how he would be able to make a web site.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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