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beskeptigal
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Posted - 01/30/2005 :  22:45:16  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
I don't know if this one is even worth discussing, it is so far fetched. Coast to coast had this bizarre guest on last night, (what else is new), that claims there are people out there manipulating the weather. He doesn't know who, but they're out there.

His website is http://www.weatherwars.info . His evidence is all the weird cloud formations he has seen and photographed.

How people get these ideas is beyond me. Clouds come in weird shapes dude, get over it.

woolytoad
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Posted - 01/30/2005 :  22:55:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send woolytoad a Private Message
Anyone see what he sees? I don't. Perhaps if I have a beer ... it is hot today.
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woolytoad
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Posted - 01/30/2005 :  22:57:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send woolytoad a Private Message
I like the arbitrary addition of lines. :D

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Ricky
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Posted - 01/30/2005 :  23:14:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
And here is one catching those damn villians in the act:



Edit:

Is there any way I can put a limit on image width and height?

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- Isaac Asimov
Edited by - Ricky on 01/30/2005 23:15:58
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Dude
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Posted - 01/31/2005 :  00:02:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
Clouds come in weird shapes dude, get over it.


That's not my website! heheh..... dude!


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/31/2005 :  08:20:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

I don't know if this one is even worth discussing, it is so far fetched. Coast to coast had this bizarre guest on last night, (what else is new), that claims there are people out there manipulating the weather. He doesn't know who, but they're out there.

His website is http://www.weatherwars.info . His evidence is all the weird cloud formations he has seen and photographed.

How people get these ideas is beyond me. Clouds come in weird shapes dude, get over it.



Yes, absolutely. verlch and I will definatively prove that the evil Amerind shamans in conjunction with the Freemasonry conspiracy have worked together to cause rain with the Amerinds "rain dance".

Yeesh.

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

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Storm
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Posted - 01/31/2005 :  09:51:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Storm's Homepage Send Storm a Private Message
Aren't these what conspiritores call Chemtrails? CoasttoCoast is big on this conspiracy... but the fact reamins the government has done many things to its people smallpox to the indians, agent orange to the Vietnam Vets... Many things.... Maybe the government is testing weather conditions, new ways to predict it, control it..
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furshur
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Posted - 01/31/2005 :  11:00:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Storm said:
quote:
Maybe the government is testing weather conditions, new ways to predict it, control it..

I swear I really don't get you type of people. You will always go for the wacky side for any explanation.

I heard leaves rustling - must be bigfoot...
Look a light in the sky - it must be aliens, probably a 'grey'...
I heard a floorboard creak - must be a ghost...
Look a cloud - it must be the goverment controling the weather...

If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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Dude
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Posted - 01/31/2005 :  11:53:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
Maybe the government is testing weather conditions, new ways to predict it, control it..


And maybe I am using my powers over the weather to mess with your head!

Forcryinoutloud Storm! Is there ANYTHING you won't buy into?


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Storm
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Posted - 01/31/2005 :  12:11:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Storm's Homepage Send Storm a Private Message
I never said I bought into anything Dude!!!! You do not even know my opinion on Chemtrails... Do you do nothing but Dispise me
I have seen the same smoke in the air.. I figure it's probably from a plane.. never affected my weather... but the fact is also how the fuck do you think we learn how weather works... maybe this is one of the ways in which science is learning... Get off my back Dude!!!!!
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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 01/31/2005 :  12:14:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
lmfao.
I once saw a weird cloud formation. Weirder than those. It was a perfect column, rising straight to the sky, no other clouds around. I was in the car with my brother-in-law, we'd just returned from The day after tomorrow... it was a very cool cloud, I wish I could've photographed it.

As for those pictures, I see things like that everyday.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Ricky
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Posted - 01/31/2005 :  12:40:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
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As for those pictures, I see things like that everyday.


That's just more evidence...

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Siberia
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Posted - 01/31/2005 :  13:29:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

quote:
As for those pictures, I see things like that everyday.


That's just more evidence...


In fact, I belong to the weather conspiracy, so I have to patrol it everyday.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Dude
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USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 01/31/2005 :  15:22:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
You do not even know my opinion on Chemtrails... Do you do nothing but Dispise me
I have seen the same smoke in the air.. I figure it's probably from a plane.. never affected my weather... but the fact is also how the fuck do you think we learn how weather works... maybe this is one of the ways in which science is learning... Get off my back Dude!!!!!



Storm, YOU said:

quote:
Maybe the government is testing weather conditions, new ways to predict it, control it..


So don't get pissed off at me for being amused by it. Maybe the government is controlling the weather... you freakin said that.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard

USA
3834 Posts

Posted - 02/01/2005 :  04:08:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

Forcryinoutloud Storm! Is there ANYTHING you won't buy into?
quote:
Originally posted by furshur

you type of people
Didn't we have a thread on acceptable confrontation or something like that? Maybe it was on another forum.

Having signed off from a forum where a number of persons posted similar stuff like this toward me, I may be a bit sensitive. But I think it's possible to disagree with Storm without being rude. These kind of posts are hurtful and I think her reactions show the posts were hurtful.

No one is going to open their mind to new ideas if you just berate them. If you're too tired to post something more informative, maybe it'd be better to not post at that time.

So, back to the clouds. The day after I heard the show I looked up and there were 'square' clouds everywhere. The shapes were obviously as natural and normal as the clouds in the pictures. They just reflected the air currents.

Storm, one thing to keep in mind is the 'government' or any other group could not develop a major comprehensive advance in weather manipulation out of the blue so to speak. Science just doesn't advance that way. What you have to understand is major scientific advances don't happen all at once and don't happen in secret.

It'd be possible to develop a new jet like Stealth or the nuclear bombs in the 50s in secret. But the basic science behind both of those developments were not secret. Advances in science are made by tiny steps from many many people. Research and discoveries are public things.

As far as weather goes, if we were close enough to being able to manipulate the weather to the extent this guy was claiming, the main body of meteorology science would at least have a clue such a thing was possible, if not close to becoming a reality. And, there is just no way any such thing is even remotely possible with the current science in this field.
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furshur
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USA
1536 Posts

Posted - 02/01/2005 :  08:27:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message

Beskeptical wrote:

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Originally posted by furshur

you type of people
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Didn't we have a thread on acceptable confrontation or something like that? Maybe it was on another forum.

You are probably right. I will refrain from being a jerk (at least try).

As for CONTRAILS. They do change the weather. We put tons of water vapor and particulates into the upper atmosphere. Of course this will have an effect on the cloud cover.

It is not a conspiracy, it is just a result of running gas turbines in the upper atmosphere.


If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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