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filthy
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 09/29/2004 :  18:44:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Remember, if you don't want to choose the lesser of two evils, someone else will choose for you.

Well said, Doc.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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beskeptigal
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USA
3834 Posts

Posted - 09/30/2004 :  01:10:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

All Have Sinned and Fall Short of the Glory of God

Speak for yourself.
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Valiant Dancer
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USA
4826 Posts

Posted - 09/30/2004 :  06:00:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

quote:
Originally posted by tomk80

quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Eph 6:12, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.



IOW: vote against Bush!



Does that mean verlch will be voting against GWB come November?



Do you want to vote for satans son or satan's cousin. Take your pick.

The entrance into heaven is simply believing in Jesus, that he came to this planet, died for our sins and went back to the Father.

No one comes to the Father except by Jesus. He paid the ultimate punishment for our rebellion. Had he sinned once, all would be for naught.

There will be a great multitude in heaven, trust me on that on.



Your unBiblical dogma, while entertaining, is not compelling.

Belief in Jesus is not required for salvation.

Given your track record on accuracy, why would anyone trust your word?

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

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verlch
SFN Regular

781 Posts

Posted - 09/30/2004 :  20:23:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

quote:
Originally posted by verlch

All Have Sinned and Fall Short of the Glory of God

Speak for yourself.



Argue with your maker all you want, He will have the last word.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 09/30/2004 :  21:27:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
verlch wrote:
quote:
Argue with your maker all you want, He will have the last word.
A completely empty sentiment, since you are not God.

To put it a different way, you're saying that nothing we humans say or do really matters, as God is waiting for us all, and says "yes" or "no" to us based upon His rules, whatever they are. And this includes you, since if you've interpreted the Bible incorrectly - and as a mere mortal, you may have - you'll be going to Hell also.

And so, the millions of people who've actually looked at all of the evidence, and see clear indications that the universe is very old, and the Earth slightly less old, and see clear indications of evolution - all of those facts left behind by God Himself - are wrong or deluded by Satan, in your opinion. While you, armed with nothing but a book you don't even understand, claim to know the mind of God.

Hubris, as I've pointed out to you before, is a sin, verlch. If your view of the world and of God is correct, you're going to Hell with the rest of us, despite being right on these points. Why? Because of the many sins you've committed while broadcasting your opinions here. Besides hubris, you've got divorce and bearing false witness to answer for, at the very least.

I'm sure God would also like to speak with you about worshipping the KJV, instead of God Himself. Good going on that one, idolator.

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Valiant Dancer
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USA
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Posted - 10/01/2004 :  06:55:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

quote:
Originally posted by verlch

All Have Sinned and Fall Short of the Glory of God

Speak for yourself.



Argue with your maker all you want, He will have the last word.



Are you claiming to be God? We're argueing with you, not some theological construct.

Or are you claiming to know the mind of God? Likewise invalid.


Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

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verlch
SFN Regular

781 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2004 :  22:26:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

verlch wrote:
quote:
Argue with your maker all you want, He will have the last word.
A completely empty sentiment, since you are not God.

To put it a different way, you're saying that nothing we humans say or do really matters, as God is waiting for us all, and says "yes" or "no" to us based upon His rules, whatever they are. And this includes you, since if you've interpreted the Bible incorrectly - and as a mere mortal, you may have - you'll be going to Hell also.

And so, the millions of people who've actually looked at all of the evidence, and see clear indications that the universe is very old, and the Earth slightly less old, and see clear indications of evolution - all of those facts left behind by God Himself - are wrong or deluded by Satan, in your opinion. While you, armed with nothing but a book you don't even understand, claim to know the mind of God.

Hubris, as I've pointed out to you before, is a sin, verlch. If your view of the world and of God is correct, you're going to Hell with the rest of us, despite being right on these points. Why? Because of the many sins you've committed while broadcasting your opinions here. Besides hubris, you've got divorce and bearing false witness to answer for, at the very least.

I'm sure God would also like to speak with you about worshipping the KJV, instead of God Himself. Good going on that one, idolator.



Dude your more twisted than me. His rules are too hard to follow, where did you miss my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Sometimes when I am filled by the Holy Spirit I feel great. I don't want to partake of a single sin. Then doubt and other things I can't explain creep in and sins happen. But, no matter how much I sin, I still accept God into my heart no matter how evil I've become. Things are good, I'm happy in my spirit. A happiness unequaled in any other adventure. So you can have your Darwin and his cronies. I have my God and that's all I need in this complex world! May Darwin rest in peace.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26007 Posts

Posted - 10/02/2004 :  00:39:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
verlch wrote:
quote:
I have my God and that's all I need in this complex world!
Okay, you've got your simple answer to life's complex questions: Goddidit. If that's the sort of answer you want, and you're happy with it, fine. More power to you.

So why is it that you insist that it's the only answer? Why do you insist that the people who look for the complex answers to the complex questions are in league with Satan for doing so? Why do you insist on going against Jesus' lessons in order to attack the complex answers that have been found, and which you clearly don't understand?

Look, you want me to be satisfied by your "I'm happy with the God I've got" sentiment, but you refuse to even offer me the same courtesy, and instead shout from the mountaintops that my understanding of the world is a "faith" invented by "Lucifer." That's just more hypocrisy on your part.

And even worse is the fact that while you want me to leave you alone with your faith, you have chosen to seek the destruction of my science.

If you're not going to follow the teachings of your Saviour on this matter ("do unto others..."), I have no motivation whatsoever to follow them myself with regard to you.

You're a false Christian, verlch. You're an idolator, a hypocrite, a liar, an adulterer and an egotist. You're wasting your (allegedly) God-given talents, which is a sign that you don't accept Jesus at all, despite what you say. Your actions speak far louder than your words.

- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard

USA
4574 Posts

Posted - 10/02/2004 :  01:32:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Then doubt and other things I can't explain creep in and sins happen. But, no matter how much I sin, I still accept God into my heart no matter how evil I've become.

Doubt creeps in? What kind of doubt, Verlch? I don't think you ever doubt god. And you don't seem to ever doubt that you know the "Absolute Truth." So what do you ever doubt? Doubt that you'll be caught? Doubt that you'll be punished? Doubt that god is watching or minds?

No, I don't think you ever doubt, Verlch. I think you sin, but I don't think you ever doubt. In fact, I think you sin knowing full well what the consequences are going to be. Even in your moments of weakness, you never doubt. But you cease to care about the consequences. That's your sin, Verlch. Not caring. Not caring who you hurt, or offend, or wrong. You don't care about answering to anyone but god, but if truth be told, you've offended him as well. Haven't you?

Well, Verlch, the wages of sin are inescapable. Just be sure not to be caught in a "doubting spell" when your ticket is punched. I don't think your god is very flexible on the rules. I'm not sure he'd care for any excuses.


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 10/02/2004 :  02:45:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Y'know, over a half-century ago, back when I was a snotty, smart-ass teen and knew everything about anything, a retired teacher and fellow reptile enthusiest told me that without doubt, there would be no knowledge.

Silly old gasbag, eh?


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2004 :  02:25:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

Y'know, over a half-century ago, back when I was a snotty, smart-ass teen and knew everything about anything, a retired teacher and fellow reptile enthusiest told me that without doubt, there would be no knowledge.

Silly old gasbag, eh?





What?

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  02:42:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by filthy

Y'know, over a half-century ago, back when I was a snotty, smart-ass teen and knew everything about anything, a retired teacher and fellow reptile enthusiest told me that without doubt, there would be no knowledge.

Silly old gasbag, eh?





What?

Pay attention; without doubt, there would be no knowledge!


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  13:47:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
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Pay attention; without doubt, there would be no knowledge!


I have a feeling he just won't get it.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  21:33:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Siberia

quote:
Pay attention; without doubt, there would be no knowledge!


I have a feeling he just won't get it.

Yeah, I doubt he will.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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Chippewa
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USA
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Posted - 10/05/2004 :  01:08:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Chippewa's Homepage Send Chippewa a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Pay attention; without doubt, there would be no knowledge!



Yup. Another way to put it: There's no knowledge without doubt.

And related to that, people who commit stupid or even monstrous acts have certainty without ever consulting doubt.

Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.

"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.)
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