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verlch
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  12:49:38  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-3.htm

Human beings saved by their maker from eternal death, will judge the angels who served the "Lord of the Flies" or the "Prince of the Air".

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."

BigPapaSmurf
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Do you have a point other than, I believe every idiotic thing I read?

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  13:03:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
Woo. Verlch is back!

Why Lord of the Flies, anyway? What do you have against the poor insects? Have they ever hurt you other than being a nuissance?

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- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  13:23:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
Hello! Is this the "welcome to schizophrenia" forum?

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filthy
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  13:23:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-3.htm

Human beings saved by their maker from eternal death, will judge the angels who served the "Lord of the Flies" or the "Prince of the Air".

I am not really sure of your point. Lemmee see if I have this straight: You are saying, discounting unecessary, rhetoric, that saints will judge people, and those that pass muster will judge angels that are the minions of Satan, yes?

First, we must assume the power of 'saints,' deity-given, of course. Then the now-exalted people will have the power, seemly exceeding that of saints, to judge angels. Is that pretty close?

Thus I must ask; why does not this deity just do the job his/herself and dispense with all the confusion.

Y'know, this looks like yet another attempt for mankind to deitify itself. Historicly very common, really.




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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  13:26:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
verlch wrote:
quote:
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
That'd be us un-esteemed atheists! Cool! We get to judge the things pertaining to this life, like the activities of religious fundamentalists. Says so right there in 1 Corinthians 6.

Seriously, verlch, if all you're going to do is quote Bible verses, your threads will be shut down, or deleted (my choice). There's no need or use for recitals here. Either quote and comment, or don't quote at all.

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verlch
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  13:35:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
Whatever Dave. Do you have to pay for the space? Is it unlimited? How much would I have to donate to make you happy? Other forums have unlimited space. If you have something to sell I suggest you do it, with more people comes added traffic and I hope that would put a smile on your face.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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furshur
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  13:59:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
quote:
Whatever Dave. Do you have to pay for the space? Is it unlimited? How much would I have to donate to make you happy? Other forums have unlimited space. If you have something to sell I suggest you do it, with more people comes added traffic and I hope that would put a smile on your face.

That is the most coherent paragraph that verlich has ever written. Verlich I am very proud of you.


If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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moakley
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  14:47:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of fools is deception. (Pr. 14:8)
Faith is essentially deception. Faith is without limits and therefore irrational.

Life is good

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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Ricky
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  15:21:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

Hello! Is this the "welcome to schizophrenia" forum?



Do you not know what SFN stands for?

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Chippewa
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  15:27:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Chippewa's Homepage Send Chippewa a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

...Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?...



Oh yes. Though we be of many faiths or beliefs, we can indeed judge the Angels in righteous fairness even though the Angels are today down 0 -2! T'was the sacrificial fly off San Francisco that lead to the victory of the forces of Red Sox 8 3 over the blessesd Angels. But LO to those who count the Angels out. The Angels now take inspiration from the holy victory of the Yankees three years ago. So, with faith, victory will come again to the land of Anaheim!

Its all written here for all to see!
http://anaheim.angels.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/ana/news/ana_gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20041007&content_id=886148&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  16:01:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

Do you have to pay for the space? Is it unlimited? How much would I have to donate to make you happy?

It's not a question of space, it's about the post's relevance to Skeptic Friends mission.
I regularily post in a hifi-forum in Sweden, and it is much more tightly moderated than this. Posts and threads get locked and deleted on a semi-regular basis because they are not about hifi.

This is only preaching on your part. If we want a sermon, we drag out butt to a church.
If you had made some critical comment regarding the verse/s you quoted, then there would have been more merit to your post. Many, yes even most of us, consider the Bible for it's literary merits if at all.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  16:20:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
verlch wrote:
quote:
Whatever Dave. Do you have to pay for the space? Is it unlimited? How much would I have to donate to make you happy? Other forums have unlimited space. If you have something to sell I suggest you do it, with more people comes added traffic and I hope that would put a smile on your face.
Aside from what Mab wrote, above, these forums are not your personal playground, verlch. I have no clue as to what might possess you to think that you should be able to post anything you wish, and that our only objections might be based upon wasted space. Did I mention any space concerns? No.

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Ricky
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  16:36:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
The only wasted space is that between his ears.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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filthy
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  16:59:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Hahahaha, hehehehe !

When was it that I was asked to make nice and not poke so much at verlch....... ? I love every bit of this!




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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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verlch
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  20:57:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

verlch wrote:
quote:
Whatever Dave. Do you have to pay for the space? Is it unlimited? How much would I have to donate to make you happy? Other forums have unlimited space. If you have something to sell I suggest you do it, with more people comes added traffic and I hope that would put a smile on your face.
Aside from what Mab wrote, above, these forums are not your personal playground, verlch. I have no clue as to what might possess you to think that you should be able to post anything you wish, and that our only objections might be based upon wasted space. Did I mention any space concerns? No.



Than I'm not killing anybody by posting this in here, in the religion section, am I? I was going to post something and talk about things as the posts streamed in, in the religion section. Religion vs whatever evil force has swept through cyberspace.

You defend evolution, albeit not with your life, but you denfend it. Christ asks me to 'defend the faith' and to be willing to die for it. So there you have it, a small battle between forces. One, divine direction and one natural selection. I for one find it silly that one might support the latter, so beit. Just my opinion. Later fellas!

Is evolution geneology?

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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