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latinijral
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Posted - 11/18/2004 :  20:58:22  Show Profile Send latinijral a Private Message
There is a lot of evidence that show that Mr. R is a fraud .

Do you want details?



p.S Sorry for my english.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/18/2004 :  21:04:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral

There is a lot of evidence that show that Mr. R is a fraud .

Do you want details?



p.S Sorry for my english.


Yes, if you plan on making that allegation, all the details you can muster. Only proof please, not rumors started by those who either have a vendetta against the man or those who profit from the credulous.


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Kil
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Posted - 11/18/2004 :  21:05:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Go for it...

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Why not question something for a change?

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@tomic
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Posted - 11/18/2004 :  22:07:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message
You know what they say about extraordinary claims...

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Dude
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Posted - 11/18/2004 :  23:21:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
What is the "new skepticism", and what makes you it's father?

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-- Thomas Jefferson

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Plyss
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Netherlands
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Posted - 11/19/2004 :  01:27:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Plyss a Private Message
There have been a few stories on the web about how Randi refused to test several of the more absurd claims that get thrown his way. I'm assuming for now this is what latinjral is referring to.

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'Yes' said Tiffany.
'Good now...If you trust in yourself.."
'Yes..?'
'..and believe in your dreams...'
'yes?'
'...and follow your star..' Miss Tick went on.
'Yes?'
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filthy
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Posted - 11/19/2004 :  03:40:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I've read a few things here & there about fudging the results of tests, doubts about the money and so forth, but all were pretty vauge and none were supported. They read like the 'sour grapes' stories of the sort that follow 'most any, well-known person around. None were worth discussion.

Welcome latinijral, to SFN! Your English seems just fine to me; one hell of a lot better than my Spanish, certainly.

Edited for half-awake typisms. There is not enough coffee in the whole, freakin' world.......


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Edited by - filthy on 11/19/2004 03:48:54
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 11/19/2004 :  07:11:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral

There is a lot of evidence that show that Mr. R is a fraud .

Do you want details?



p.S Sorry for my english.



Greetings, latinijral. Your English is just fine.

Please provide said evidence that James Randi is a fraud. Also, keep in mind we will probably try to independantly verify this so sources may be asked of you.

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Ricky
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Posted - 11/19/2004 :  15:25:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Anyone here know Mexican Spanish? (I just had to throw in a Bush joke there)

http://groups.msn.com/SkepticsForumIsJamesRandialiar

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Edited by - Ricky on 11/19/2004 15:26:15
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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 11/19/2004 :  20:10:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
This JREF thread may answer many questions.

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R.Wreck
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Posted - 11/20/2004 :  12:55:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
Welcome latinijral!

quote:
There is a lot of evidence that show that Mr. R is a fraud .

Do you want details?



p.S Sorry for my english.


You're english is fine, but so far your "evidence" leaves a lot to be desired!

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Kil
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Posted - 11/20/2004 :  13:34:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Ahhhhhhh, this guy is never coming back....

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Ricky
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Posted - 11/20/2004 :  14:15:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Jumping the gun a bit Kil? It's only been two days. I'd give him at least a week.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/20/2004 :  21:34:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
This two-year-old JREF thread may answer even more questions.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/20/2004 :  23:22:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

This two-year-old JREF thread may answer even more questions.



Funny and enlightening read, Dave! The rhetorical question which made me burst out laughing was "YOU SAID: A BIRD COULD CERTAINLY BE THE CULPRIT. WHAT KIND OF BIRD? A PARANORMAL BIRD?"

I give Randi a ton of credit for volunteering to deal with such people.

"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 11/20/2004 23:24:48
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latinijral
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Posted - 11/21/2004 :  12:58:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send latinijral a Private Message
Hello friends, specially to the people told me "welcome", also to Kil--aka-skeptoid.

About the desperate of some Randi´s fans, here you can read details of some double speech of this guys, about Randi´s thread on the JREF forum it is not clear because they delete soem accounts with the porpose of confused people with some sockpuppets.

http://www.skepticalcommunity.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=751&start=0

The goal of this thread is not to talk about "the paranormal bird" of the "paranormals answers of Randi, Harter or Kramer". It is to inform you how Mr. R gave $ 5000,oo of donations to a stripper called Moefox.
Amazing.-.....finally Randi don´t know who is Moefox???
http://www.skepticalcommunity.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1022&start=0
http://forum.skepticpie.com/viewtopic.php?t=406

Read all and met Randisfans.




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