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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 11/21/2004 :  13:15:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message
Do you mind if I don't have the faintest idea what your blathering about?

Tom

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Baza
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/21/2004 :  13:28:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Baza a Private Message
Is it me but I too cannot understand what is supposed to be alledged here?

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filthy
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USA
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Posted - 11/21/2004 :  13:50:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I don't know who/what Mofox is, either, nor Randi's relationship to him/her/it.

Also, I don't understand the deal concerning the $5,000. Was it embezzaled, or what?

What you have presented is a series of forum conversations. This sort of thing is not confirmation of fraudulent behavior on Randi's part. It only confirms that lots of people have opinions, one way or another, including an excitable fellow who seems to be pissed because Randi didn't test his claim. Virtually all of the posts are unsupported statments.

I'm sorry, but this does not support your claim that Randi or anyone else is a fraud.


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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/21/2004 :  21:01:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
I think he's alleging that Randi spent 5k on a hooker in Vegas. Good for him, I say. I hope it was money well spent.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/21/2004 :  22:20:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
What latinijral presented was two forum conversations with a total of 46 friggin' pages between them. That he expects people to read that much, instead of just presenting his best evidence of Randi's alleged fraud, is a symptom of something.

I did manage four pages. It seems that latinijral heard a rumor that a JREF forums moderator (who's a girlfriend of either Penn and/or Teller, who were involved in Randi's The Amazing Meeting 2) got a $5,000 scholarship from the JREF. Others say that said scholarship has been "discussed to death" in the JREF forums. They also seemed to feel that the best way to deal with latinijral was to ignore him and hijack his threads.

Don't know what else to say, except to agree that no evidence has yet been presented of any alleged fraud.

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Dude
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Posted - 11/21/2004 :  23:33:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
(I should not that I didn't get much past the first page of either of those threads latini linked to....)

Even if he did spend $5k on a stripper or hooker.... so what?

I've slipped the $$ into the silky-lace goodness that is a stripper's thong a few times, but that doesn't somehow translate into me being a fraud.... does it? And what about lap-dances? Oh man.... if that makes me a fraud, I gues I'm just finished then. Better resign my membership at SFN!

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/21/2004 :  23:46:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
I've slipped the $$ into the silky-lace goodness that is a stripper's thong a few times, but that doesn't somehow translate into me being a fraud.... does it? And what about lap-dances? Oh man.... if that makes me a fraud, I gues I'm just finished then. Better resign my membership at SFN!


As far as I'm concerned, what happens in Amsterdam stays in Amsterdam.

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filthy
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Posted - 11/22/2004 :  03:33:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
They say those Vegas hookers can polish a knob 'till it shines like a brass eagle. Alas, I'm too broke to go there and verify the claim.

I got through several pages of the threads, then only scanned the rest. Pretty much a typical forum, it looked like to me.

What latinijral fails to understand, I think, is that it is all mere conversation among people we've never heard of and who might or might not be reliable. He also doesn't realize that here, if one of the regulars were to make such a claim as his, he/she'd get called on it instantly and would need emperical evidence to back it up or face ridicule. I'd give new guys a little slack, at least early on. Let them get their acts together.

As for his not being popular over there, well, that's there and this is over here. His behavior here is what counts.

So, latinijral, I assume that your claim still stands. What proofs can you present that are documented? While I've read some rumors, I've yet to see anything that demonstrates that Randi is anything but what he appears to be. If you can come up with something solid, it will be worth investigating further.


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Edited by - filthy on 11/22/2004 03:42:18
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Siberia
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Posted - 11/22/2004 :  06:46:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
So paying for a stripper's services makes one a fraud... right. Does that apply for male strippers, too?
I just hope Moefox or whomever was worth the cash... if there was any cash exchange, mind you.

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Valiant Dancer
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USA
4826 Posts

Posted - 11/22/2004 :  07:48:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by latinijral

Hello friends, specially to the people told me "welcome", also to Kil--aka-skeptoid.

About the desperate of some Randiīs fans, here you can read details of some double speech of this guys, about Randiīs thread on the JREF forum it is not clear because they delete soem accounts with the porpose of confused people with some sockpuppets.

http://www.skepticalcommunity.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=751&start=0

The goal of this thread is not to talk about "the paranormal bird" of the "paranormals answers of Randi, Harter or Kramer". It is to inform you how Mr. R gave $ 5000,oo of donations to a stripper called Moefox.
Amazing.-.....finally Randi donīt know who is Moefox???
http://www.skepticalcommunity.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1022&start=0
http://forum.skepticpie.com/viewtopic.php?t=406

Read all and met Randisfans.







Ok, when you can tell me how contracting the services of an adult entertainment professional has anything to do with the methodology of testing paranormal claims, you might have a point.

I said the same thing about how a hummer in the White House having anything to do with a land deal in Arkansas.

Heck, I went to the Admiral here in Chicago and met the younger sister of a high school classmate (haven't been back since, the world got way too small for my comfort). While there, I got a few private dances. Does this make me a fraud, or merely interested in seeing pretty naked women gyrating for my purile entertainment?

Since James Randi has devoted decades to exposing frauds and fake sources of paranormal activity, his methodology is open to inspection and scientifically sound, I find that him giving five thousand dollars to an adult entertainment professional to be completely unrelated to his activities as an investigator.


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beskeptigal
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Posted - 11/25/2004 :  04:21:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
I don't understand any of this. Anyone care to dumb it down for me? Nevermind. Somehow in my sleepy gaze last night I missed the above posts.
Edited by - beskeptigal on 11/25/2004 14:29:30
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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 11/25/2004 :  15:06:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
What came before the stuff in the above posts, beskeptigal, is that latinijral is a friend of a person named Carlos who sent in an application for Randi's million bucks based upon seeing an unidentified something in a video clip from the 9/11 WTC towers attack. Of course, such a thing is inelligible for the million bucks, but nevermind that. The problem appears to be that some communications got cross-wired, and Carlos now (and for the last two years) feels betrayed by Randi (a person Carlos had looked up to). His buddy latinijral seems to be helping Carlos vent his rage all over the Internet.

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@tomic
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USA
4607 Posts

Posted - 11/25/2004 :  22:23:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message
quote:
What came before the stuff in the above posts, beskeptigal, is that latinijral is a friend of a person named Carlos who sent in an application for Randi's million bucks based upon seeing an unidentified something in a video clip from the 9/11 WTC towers attack. Of course, such a thing is inelligible for the million bucks, but nevermind that. The problem appears to be that some communications got cross-wired, and Carlos now (and for the last two years) feels betrayed by Randi (a person Carlos had looked up to). His buddy latinijral seems to be helping Carlos vent his rage all over the Internet.

That's all I see. Odd and confusing accusations that are just obvious attempts to smear Randi's good name. I don't think anyone is fooled by this.

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latinijral
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Posted - 11/28/2004 :  07:53:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send latinijral a Private Message
quote:
So paying for a stripper's services makes one a fraud... right. Does that apply for male strippers, too?
I just hope Moefox or whomever was worth the cash... if there was any cash exchange, mind you.


Point of order:

Moefox is a special "friend" of Penn & Teller.

She is aparently an "ugly" young lady, but she really publish her original and naked picture on a private forum called "renata munu forum of skeptics" where everybody can see her.

Everybody knows that Mr. R is old and single...mmmmmm..but JREF gave to Pennīs friend $ 5000 for her special contribution to the skepticism.



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latinijral
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Posted - 11/28/2004 :  08:01:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send latinijral a Private Message


The moron with Moefox is Lt. Col. Hal Bidlack, ex-JREF director.

His son also "won" an special schollarship on last TAM.

For the record: Bidlack is a prayer and a believer. Randi confirmed it on a week commentary. Now, Bidlack is out.

Hey guys....look first where your money is going.


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