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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 11/28/2004 : 08:13:16 [Permalink]
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Everybody knows that Mr. R is old and single...mmmmmm..but JREF gave to Pennīs friend $ 5000 for her special contribution to the skepticism.
I'm sorry friend, but I still fail to see the crime unless Randi dipped into the JREF till for the money. As he is quite well off, with deep enough pockets of his own, I'd have to see some pretty firm documentation supporting the accusation.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 11:12:28 [Permalink]
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originally posted by latinijral:
There is a lot of evidence that show that Mr. R is a fraud .
evidence:
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1 a : an outward sign : INDICATION b : something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2 : one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices
fraud:
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1 a : DECEIT, TRICKERY; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : TRICK
2 a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : IMPOSTOR; also : one who defrauds : CHEAT b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
I don't see where anything latinijral has posted constitutes evidence of anything, much less fraud on Randi's part. What else ya got, latinijral? |
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Dave W.
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Baza
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/29/2004 : 12:24:32 [Permalink]
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| Sorry ...still can't see it?? |
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Starman
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/30/2004 : 02:10:19 [Permalink]
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Why should liars be allowed to use SFN as a forum to slander respectable people?
latinijral has had plenty of time to provide evidence for his accusations but have failed to do so.
Delete this thread, it is just insulting to mr Randi!
(Google for "Randi fraud" and this thread appears.)
Sure latinijral has been challenged, but other kooks won't bother to read that.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/30/2004 : 04:37:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Why should liars be allowed to use SFN as a forum to slander respectable people?
latinijral has had plenty of time to provide evidence for his accusations but have failed to do so.
Delete this thread, it is just insulting to mr Randi!
(Google for "Randi fraud" and this thread appears.)
Sure latinijral has been challenged, but other kooks won't bother to read that.
If latinijral has something valuable to say he can redeem himself in other threads.
I wouldn't delete it, ridiculous as much of it is. I think it pretty much debunks the topic, as no evidence has been put forth against Mr. Randi. The kooks will believe what they want to believe, regardless; the critical and the curious will want to check it out more thourghly.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Starman
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/30/2004 : 05:27:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
I wouldn't delete it, ridiculous as much of it is. I think it pretty much debunks the topic, as no evidence has been put forth against Mr. Randi. The kooks will believe what they want to believe, regardless; the critical and the curious will want to check it out more thourghly.
Whisper campaigns have succeeded in the past.
(Where there's smoke...)
I really don't mind crackpots making unsubstantiated claims about evolution or ghosts but this is about an individual and the goal is to hurt him with this rumor.
We can show that the rumor lacks supportive evidence, (and people have done that,) but the burden shifting bozos will just point out that the Randi worshippers of SFN can't prove that its false.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/30/2004 : 11:05:52 [Permalink]
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As filthy has already pointed out, the "burden shifting bozos" are going to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts. The JREF can protect its interests just fine, it does not need us to help by deleting things that are just insulting.
And, on the other hand, if the JREF would like more evidence in any possible legal action they might bring against latinjral, they're free to use this thread, even though I'm sure they've already got lots of "ammunition" from the JREF forums and elsewhere, more is better. Deleting the thread, in such a case, might actually hinder the JREF's ability to defend itself completely.
(Of course, there are juridictional problems which would hinder prosecution right now, but there's no telling if that situation might change.) |
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Ricky
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Starman
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/01/2004 : 02:13:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Latinijral has attacked Randi and his attacks have been found lacking. To me, this only strengths Randi and his credibility.
Yea and to me the swift boat lies strengthened Kerrys credibility.
You have at least 2 posters on this board that think that links to web sites and forum discussions are evidence.quote:
And besides, we can't just delete posts of people who disagree with us. Thats not very skeptical, now is it.
That was not the point!  That is a fine example of a straw man.
If the consensus is that this thread should remain I have no problem with that. I find the level of moderation on this forum to be excellent and deletion of threads and other forms of censorship should be avoided if possible and only used with great care.
Sometimes they have to be used however. (Is it legal to keep slander on a internet forum?)
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Starman
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/01/2004 : 02:29:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
As filthy has already pointed out, the "burden shifting bozos" are going to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts. The JREF can protect its interests just fine, it does not need us to help by deleting things that are just insulting.
And, on the other hand, if the JREF would like more evidence in any possible legal action they might bring against latinjral, they're free to use this thread, even though I'm sure they've already got lots of "ammunition" from the JREF forums and elsewhere, more is better. Deleting the thread, in such a case, might actually hinder the JREF's ability to defend itself completely.
(Of course, there are juridictional problems which would hinder prosecution right now, but there's no telling if that situation might change.)
I'm confident that you and the other staff here handle such things in a proper way.
It is better when you feel that the moderators are too forgiving than when you feel that they are too strict.
(On BABB I drew complaints when I used the word "shitty"  ) |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/01/2004 : 10:43:51 [Permalink]
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Starman wrote:quote:
(Is it legal to keep slander on a internet forum?)
Well, in the U.S. (where both Randi and the SFN servers are located), libel (written slander) is a civil offense, and not criminal. In other words, the person who's being libelled must bring suit against the offender. It's not a situation where the government will step in on someone's behalf (like with a theft).
That being said, if we're contacted by a JREF representative, who wants us to eliminate libellous statements here, I'll gladly archive the originals for them, and then delete as little as possible to comply (after all, this discussion has drifted a bit, and there's no reason to delete all the posts). It certainly wouldn't be our intent to maintain every jot and tittle in spite of what the JREF would like, as doing so would open us up to legal ugliness.quote:
I'm confident that you and the other staff here handle such things in a proper way.
Thanks.quote:
It is better when you feel that the moderators are too forgiving than when you feel that they are too strict.
For the record, the only things I've deleted around here were potential copyright violations, and I left links to the originals. While copyright infringement is another civil offense, the Digital Millenium Copyright Act is an ugly piece of work, and it's much better to be proactive and self-policing while it's in effect.quote:
(On BABB I drew complaints when I used the word "shitty" )
Well, that's just craptacular. Seriously, whether or not one allows four-letter words on a forum is a matter of what kind of forum one wants to have. I'm betting that Phil Plait would prefer his forum to be acceptable to the parents of the children who find it. Here, I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of people who read the forums are adults. I would prefer that people avoid gratuitous profanity, just in case we suddenly get an influx of 14-year-olds, but I'm not going to publicly spank anyone over it.
Edited to add: Hell, look at the title of this thread! |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2004 : 01:57:04 [Permalink]
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It was not actually Phil that complained, but that was the reason.
Well its Phil's board and his rules. |
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latinijral
Banned
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 12:47:13 [Permalink]
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It is a fact.
JREF gave $ 5000 from donations to a young girl called "Moefox".
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 14:12:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
It is a fact.
JREF gave $ 5000 from donations to a young girl called "Moefox".
You haven't given anything for us to confirm this as 'fact'. As long as you don't, it is rumor at best.
Furthermore, in case you missed it latinrijal, nobody here cares. Give it up, you don't substantiate your point and even if you would nobody here would care. Why don't you just take your ramblings elsewhere? |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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