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verlch
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Posted - 12/01/2004 :  22:24:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

quote:
Originally posted by Kil

quote:
Verlch:6,000,000 years...and no fossils. Just drawings and lots of talk, but no show!
No fossils? I know your'e not kidding. That's what makes you so special...

Indeed!

Verlch old sock, I can bury you in fossils, a few of which I myself posess. There are expos where you can purchase them with accurate documentation. There are commercial field trips for fossil hunters.

Say, what if I found some fossil trees even older than the Jurassic? Would you be interested? They exist, you know.

quote:


No Kil, you are a product of evolution. I'm created from the hand of God. God also knew you before you where born.

Damn! God must have been drunk again.






How about we all handle these fossils and take a peak! These so-called fossil you have. I have fossils of sea creatures in the rocky mountains. I think it proves the flood. Now about your fossils.

Jurassic by your time line. Which is very bloated, if I dare say! To prove your beliefs no less...

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dude
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Posted - 12/02/2004 :  01:10:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Chimps and humans are indeed very closely related. So close, in fact, that there is speculation that the two species might be able to interbreed. For ethical reasons this has never been put to the test... atleast publicly (and I suspect that if it had ever been tested, and the results were negative, it would have been published someplace)..... maybe that deserves to go in the conspiracy folder... heh. Anyway...

v-man, just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it's not the truth. So many of you fundies are outright offended by the concept of common descent, it seems to shut off what minimal critical thinking skills you do have. Perhaps because you recognize that the evidence for it is real, and it directly conflicts with your silly little creation story. You're more comfortable in your own little fantasy, so you react with scorn to anythng that contradicts your view..... and have no regard for evidence at all.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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filthy
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Posted - 12/02/2004 :  02:32:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
You never open links put up by anyone but yourself, so why should I bother? Really, I think you are afraid of seeing how false your twisted, little nightmare of a world is.

Oh well......

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/bacteria/bacteriafr.html

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/icthyo.htm

http://www.mdgekko.com/devonian/devo

http://songseek.com/picturenet/photos/oldcalais/image1.htm

And so forth. A fairly good, if brief, mix, I think. I can easily come up with more by request.

Now then verlch, what you foolishly call evidence for some sort of global washout is nothing of the sort. It is evidence of plate tectonics. Those mountain tops were once sea bottom, and...

http://www.cotf.edu/ete/modules/msese/earthsysflr/plates1.html

... what you think is mere blithering. I have demonstrated in another thread, via Dr. Marty Leipzig's math that the alledged flood as described is impossible; a myth. Of course, you didn't read it then, and you won't read it now. But here's a condensed version, anyway.

http://www.skepticfiles.org/religion/flood.htm

Now, I know Afganistan is in full production, and that's nice I suppose, but do try and put the hop aside for a while..... Oh forget it. You might fuck up and learn something, and oh, the horror of aquiring knowledge!



"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 12/02/2004 03:55:02
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furshur
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Posted - 12/02/2004 :  06:20:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Dude wrote:
quote:
Chimps and humans are indeed very closely related. So close, in fact, that there is speculation that the two species might be able to interbreed.

Does this explain Verlich...


If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/02/2004 :  08:15:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by furshur

Dude wrote:
quote:
Chimps and humans are indeed very closely related. So close, in fact, that there is speculation that the two species might be able to interbreed.

Does this explain Verlich...




Oh my! You read my mind!

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Ricky
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Posted - 12/02/2004 :  09:00:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Oh my! You read my mind!


Where is Storm at? Looks like we have more evidence for him

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 12/02/2004 :  11:51:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

quote:
Oh my! You read my mind!


Where is Storm at? Looks like we have more evidence for him

Indeed!

Actually, I seem to recall that he's a 'her.'


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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verlch
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Posted - 12/02/2004 :  22:08:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

Chimps and humans are indeed very closely related. So close, in fact, that there is speculation that the two species might be able to interbreed. For ethical reasons this has never been put to the test... atleast publicly (and I suspect that if it had ever been tested, and the results were negative, it would have been published someplace)..... maybe that deserves to go in the conspiracy folder... heh. Anyway...

v-man, just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it's not the truth. So many of you fundies are outright offended by the concept of common descent, it seems to shut off what minimal critical thinking skills you do have. Perhaps because you recognize that the evidence for it is real, and it directly conflicts with your silly little creation story. You're more comfortable in your own little fantasy, so you react with scorn to anythng that contradicts your view..... and have no regard for evidence at all.






It should be very very very easy to prove and not riddeling with more holes than a rusty bucket. Evolution is as unproven as the day it was invented.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 12/02/2004 :  22:14:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Siberia

quote:
Originally posted by furshur

Dude wrote:
quote:
Chimps and humans are indeed very closely related. So close, in fact, that there is speculation that the two species might be able to interbreed.

Does this explain Verlich...




Oh my! You read my mind!



Your science men found humans are more closely related to mice than your 'Great Ape.'

I know we came for the hand of God, we are sons of man, but in the begining we where Sons of God! Given dominion over the entire planet, until Eve, forgeting the instructions of her maker, ruined things for the moment. Don't worry, God will come back and fix it all soon!

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Ricky
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  01:23:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Don't worry, God will come back and fix it all soon!


Verlch, I think you may need to adjust your usage of the word "soon". 6,000 years is not soon.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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mountain_hare
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  03:32:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send mountain_hare a Private Message
verlch, your signature has to be the most deceptive, ignorant siggy I have ever seen.

quote:

My new book, 'The 100 trillion questions evolution can't answer.'


More like "The 100 trillion questions I can't answer about evolution, because I don't even have a clue what it is".

PFFTT

"This may sound really off the wall, but listen to me. You've got to believe me. I've not gone crazy, and I'm not fooling around. At first I thought I was losing my mind. But now I know I'm not. It's not me. The scientific community. It's being invaded by Creationism. Someone's ignorant delusions come to life. Little by little, the
invasion is spreading. Trying to swallow up everything in ignorance."

The words of Dr. Harry to the disbelieving scientific community, who were amazed that such idiotic ideals as "Creationism" would ever be taken seriously.
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filthy
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  04:51:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by mountain_hare

verlch, your signature has to be the most deceptive, ignorant siggy I have ever seen.

quote:

My new book, 'The 100 trillion questions evolution can't answer.'


More like "The 100 trillion questions I can't answer about evolution, because I don't even have a clue what it is".

PFFTT

Mountain hare, I see you have met our verlch, he of the skull of depleated uranium. If you feel the need of a chuckle or two, research him. The thread, things get fugly is a good place to start.

It was with him in mind that we made up the roll eyes smilry.

quote:
Your science men found humans are more closely related to mice than your 'Great Ape.'


Hahahahahaha! Yeah, right! Documentation, please.

quote:
I know we came for the hand of God, we are sons of man, but in the begining we where Sons of God! Given dominion over the entire planet, until Eve, forgeting the instructions of her maker, ruined things for the moment. Don't worry, God will come back and fix it all soon!


Yes verlch, God is not dead, rather he is passed out on the floor of the biker bar with his head in the cuspidor. But when he sobers up and his ol' lady finishes chewing his ear for puking stale beer in the kitchen again, he's gonna be pissed!


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 12/03/2004 05:54:35
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llDayo
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  06:51:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send llDayo a Private Message
I gotta read verlch's posts more often! Some of the funniest shit on the web!

Just to point out: In Hebrew, Adam means mankind, Eve means life. Any chance that these were misinterpreted to mean two actual people? Yeah, pretty much a yes on that part. So wait, maybe other parts were misinterpreted? Maybe the whole Bible is?! Oh wait, we already new that
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tkster
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USA
193 Posts

Posted - 12/03/2004 :  07:12:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send tkster a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
It should be very very very easy to prove and not riddeling with more holes than a rusty bucket. Evolution is as unproven as the day it was invented.



Verlch let me explain to you how this works. I am not an evolutionist, I am a scientist. Scientists study the natural world and come to conclusions based on it - evolution is one of those conclusions. It was not invented because it is based on the study of the natural world.

As for your religion, I have my doubts, but to be honest for now I'll just leave it at that. Calling me an evolutionist isn't even true, as I am a scientist and we do come to conclusions as it is part of it.

tk
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filthy
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USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  07:23:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by llDayo

I gotta read verlch's posts more often! Some of the funniest shit on the web!

Just to point out: In Hebrew, Adam means mankind, Eve means life. Any chance that these were misinterpreted to mean two actual people? Yeah, pretty much a yes on that part. So wait, maybe other parts were misinterpreted? Maybe the whole Bible is?! Oh wait, we already new that

Hi llDayo.

It is the often a habit of the story teller to spin his yarn with metaphores. A truely gifted one can turn mankind and life into fallen hero and heroine with ease.

I think that this is something of what makes many parts of the OT such an interesting read. I can imagine a group of people sitting around a low fire, raptly listening to an elder as he passes on the tales he was given in his youth by yet another elder.

And then the twit-tube came along and screwed the whole thing up.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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