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Storm
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 Posted - 12/03/2004 : 10:02:19 [Permalink]
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There was definetly some force that threw that slipper. It was not the cat's claw. The cat was on one side of me the slippers on the other. Supernatural when I hear that word I cannot help but think of demons, elves, etc. But then again how do we know what we call demon, elves, etc are only a Natural part of the Universe? A part of the Universe not yet discovered. We know how vast the universe is. We know or maybe we just hypothesize that there are other planets Just not discovered then maybe we should apply this theory to some CLAIMS of the paranormal. The evidence of the phenomenon of things like clairvoyance, telepathy, Ghosts, Phantoms, is all around well documented.
Parpsychology is on the rise to a most respected and valued Science..
Do not lose out...
http://www.psy.gu.se/EJP/EJP.htm
Check out this site
Check out this Article
Research Methods in Expirimental Parapsychology
Problems and Prospects
Very Interesting
Now Were Talking
Anybody care to read it and then discuss?
I shall return later this evening
Oh and that 50 to 60 mph wind gust in my bathroom only happened when Four Hurricanes came a Knockin in August and September of this year |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 10:11:59 [Permalink]
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What you fail to realize, is that getting science from a 'journal' like that is like getting your world news from Teen Beat Magazine. Its basically like a tabliod with hydrolics and 1500$ rims. If the studies were scientifically valid they would be reviewed and sent to proper magazines where the authors would then win noble prizes in more than one catagory. Do you think they dont want that? The two periodicals I mentioned DO reveiw studies just like these, usually the ones that Paranormalists claim are the most sound, and in every instance they found controls lacking, manifest destiny, wishful thinking or downright fraud.
And you dont seem to understand that everything in the universe is science, IF demons and fairies and Psi-balls exist they exist in science, only imagination and personal perception exist outside of science. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Storm
SFN Regular
USA
708 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2004 : 10:18:45 [Permalink]
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It's all in a Name...
What we label...
do you know that in Europe Parapsychology is reguarded as aTrue Science?
In America it is not.
It was privatized with the split of J.B. Rhine and Duke University.
So it is no wonder the thinking is seperate..
Stagnate...
That is why it is time...
Time to Evolve and move on.... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 10:53:07 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Storm
I might not know that much about science but I know a good amount.
You have yet to demonstrate that this is true.quote:
While I am willing to learn even more you my friends take 5 minutes to look at some websites I give you.
Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true.quote:
But doesn't it feel better to do some than just rather have it handed to you on a silver platter??
Personal feelings of satisfaction are irrelevant to whether or not a particular assertion is true.quote:
How do you know that I am not a ScientistI have earned my degrees
Degrees don't make a person a scientist. Practicing actual science makes a person a scientist.quote:
Everything is Science if we label it that.
It's all in a name...
The above quote is a good reason to think you are not now, nor ever will be, a scientist. Crackpots think this is true, and call themselves scientists despite not doing science. Actual scientists know that non-science is easy to spot, no matter what it is called.quote:
Roger Wescott termed the name Anomalistic Alleged extraordinary events that cannot be unexplained by current Scientific theory...
Sure, why not? It's a decent definition of a term. And gee, it includes the origin of the universe, and the origin of life on Earth. It also makes my favorite color being blue an "anomalistic alleged extraordinary event," so it's not a very useful term, now is it?quote:
this could definetly be applied to Gosts
But PSI Telepathy Very credable Evidence can be supported in many of the parapsychology journals
You have to look
You've done so much research, and yet cannot offer a proper citation or a link to any particular article you'd like us to view.quote:
The fact is Gentleman The Events occur
Frankly, your insistence that this is what's being argued is stupefying.quote:
How we label them Well that is up to us I guess
You say Tomato I say Toe mato...
No scientist, you. |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 12:02:23 [Permalink]
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| Extrasolar planets have been detected, yes, but no, we haven't found life on them yet. Only that we've evidence that it happens - our very own flying rock we call 'Earth' (well, I call it Terra, but hey). |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 14:24:02 [Permalink]
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I would like to see what if any reputable science groups would claim that Parapsycology is accepatble science in Eurpoe.
One again a claim without support. This is proof I want to see. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 14:26:38 [Permalink]
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Storm said:
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do you know that in Europe Parapsychology is reguarded as aTrue Science?
Pretty bold statememt. I looked at the degree offerings in several European schools and while they had degrees in regular 'true' sciences I could not find any ones that had degrees in parapsychology. Is it possible you are just repeating what someone told you?
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 01:37:19 [Permalink]
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What Storm isn't getting is easy to see here.
If an "event" occurs, then it can be observed. If it is observed and documented properly, and done so in a way that the observation can be repeated and verified, then it's science.
The very word paranormal, when applied to any observation, raises a red flag. I implies a bias in the observer, a logical fallacy referrd to as confirmation bias
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Storm
SFN Regular
USA
708 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 17:55:03 [Permalink]
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Hey Dude your grammar is not so perfect or maybe the "I" is meant to imply you are biased
A logiiccali Fallacyyc |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 18:27:30 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Storm
do you know that in Europe Parapsychology is reguarded as aTrue Science?
Not in the part of Europe I'm living in. Perhaps you're thinking of East Germany, Romania, or Belarus some fifty years ago?
Until you show some evidense of this, I'll consider it bullshit.
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In America it is not.
Good for you!
When G.W. Bush was re-elected I kind of lost faith in the sanity of the majority of American citizens.
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